Is there any way I could own land as a mercenary?>

[Drewie]

Like a mod or something? I don't want to be a independent kingdom just a different faction with property.
Kinda like a mercenary group with a base of operations.

I looked up that they removed this in a earlier patch.
LAME!!

[Right Clicker]

Yes. Capture a castle/town as an independent, then sign up as a merc.

Just loiter around sieges and pick one up on the cheap.

[Arte]

Yeah, it's weird - you will get access to kingdom screen but not all the kingdom options like a merc but you will own a fief. I'm pretty certain it isn't worth the problems though since to leave the service of a kingdom you have to give up your fiefs or piss them off.

[Infern]

Developer console mod. Gift yourself a fief with commands. Tada... Problem solved. It's the only way you can do it.

[Drewie]

Oh thanks, because I stopped my contract with a kingdom and started a quick war with another and took a castle.
Entered in a peace settlement now, except when I tried to join as a mercenary with another kingdom. I got the option greyed out with "Clans that own land can't join as mercenaries"

LAME!!!!!

[Scottx125]

Merc's shouldn't have settlements. If you have one then you're a lord, not a mercenary. Though I think they need to rework it so that when you own a settlement and become independent, you become a kingdom.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Scottx125:

Merc's shouldn't have settlements. If you have one then you're a lord, not a mercenary.

Why can't you be both? I am pretty sure wealthy mercs back in the actual medieval times could own land. There is no reason that this cannot be a thing.

[Drewie]

Originally posted by Scottx125:

Merc's shouldn't have settlements. If you have one then you're a lord, not a mercenary. Though I think they need to rework it so that when you own a settlement and become independent, you become a kingdom.

Do ppl like you read the posts you respond to?

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

Originally posted by Scottx125:

Merc's shouldn't have settlements. If you have one then you're a lord, not a mercenary.

Why can't you be both? I am pretty sure wealthy mercs back in the actual medieval times could own land. There is no reason that this cannot be a thing.

As far as I know, no. As soon as you own land you are sombody's vassal. The only historical smaller factions to possess independent holdings were the monastic horders. Like Hospitaller, Templar and Teutonic knights. And they were granted those through donations for religious reasons. And even though they had no specific liege they were pledge to Christendom in general.
Even if a mercenary company were to acquire a fief, they would soon fall under some ruler's authority.
After all there is nothing to stop a bigger power to simply conquer them by force. Usually that's why you swear fielty to a liege.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Drewie:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

I meant alonesilverwolf. I corrected it like 5 seconds after posting. Lay down the crack.

Yes, the historical perspective from this bit:

no one cares dude, stop derailing my thread

To be fair, discussing the historical aspect of mercs and land ownership isn't really derailing, as it is relevant to a game that, at least to some extent, seems to attempt for some level of historical accuracy.

I actually want to research this now. I am PRETTY sure that mercenaries could own land but you know what? I don't 100% know, and am curious as hell now. I feel like, in some far back region of my teens, I already researched this once and found they could, but maybe I'm remembering wrong, who knows. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why we have Google :p

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

Originally posted by Drewie:

no one cares dude, stop derailing my thread

To be fair, discussing the historical aspect of mercs and land ownership isn't really derailing, as it is relevant to a game that, at least to some extent, seems to attempt for some level of historical accuracy.

I actually want to research this now. I am PRETTY sure that mercenaries could own land but you know what? I don't 100% know, and am curious as hell now. I feel like, in some far back region of my teens, I already researched this once and found they could, but maybe I'm remembering wrong, who knows. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why we have Google :p

Depends what you mean by "could".
Like, physically? Yeah. I know of a couple companies which siezed some land or fortress and for a while they had no formal liege. Uusually it ends in them accepting someone's sovereignty though.
Not sure there is any benefit in NOT doing that. Considering the feudal system wasn't exactly like Bannerlord's faction system.
In Bannerlord becoming a vassal means basically becoming permanent part of a nation.
In history vassals could enjoy various degrees of freedom.

Originally posted by Drewie:

pfft, I wish you could see me roll my eyes.
Now go back to writing essays on reddit

If you look like you type, I am glad I can't see you.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Like, physically? Yeah. I know of a couple companies which siezed some land or fortress and for a while they had no formal liege. Uusually it ends in them accepting someone's sovereignty though.

Hm. Sforza taking Milan comes to mind, but I don't know that he bothered with any mercenary work *after* that, rather than ruling normally as a duke.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

To be fair, discussing the historical aspect of mercs and land ownership isn't really derailing, as it is relevant to a game that, at least to some extent, seems to attempt for some level of historical accuracy.

I actually want to research this now. I am PRETTY sure that mercenaries could own land but you know what? I don't 100% know, and am curious as hell now. I feel like, in some far back region of my teens, I already researched this once and found they could, but maybe I'm remembering wrong, who knows. ♥♥♥♥ like this is why we have Google :p

Depends what you mean by "could".
Like, physically? Yeah. I know of a couple companies which siezed some land or fortress and for a while they had no formal liege. Uusually it ends in them accepting someone's sovereignty though.
Not sure there is any benefit in NOT doing that. Considering the feudal system wasn't exactly like Bannerlord's faction system.
In Bannerlord becoming a vassal means basically becoming permanent part of a nation.
In history vassals could enjoy various degrees of freedom.

SO, I could only really find one reliable source thus far. There is only one sentence here from an article on h-net.org (link below), that states: "Scots Mercenary Forces in Sixteenth Century Ireland," by Muriósa Prendergast, traces the com‐plicated family rivalries in the Emerald Isle that brought in the Scots, where they were paid in land, thus inserting a new dynamic into a land al‐ready laid waste by long and blood feuds"

Now I will admit, this is not enough to say that this was commonplace, and it specifically mentions Scots...but this does show at least SOMEONE was paying their mercenaries in land. I would love to see more on the subject matter, to be honest, and this article does make some interesting points on how mercenaries were viewed anyway.

https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.php?id=22832

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Depends what you mean by "could".
Like, physically? Yeah. I know of a couple companies which siezed some land or fortress and for a while they had no formal liege. Uusually it ends in them accepting someone's sovereignty though.
Not sure there is any benefit in NOT doing that. Considering the feudal system wasn't exactly like Bannerlord's faction system.
In Bannerlord becoming a vassal means basically becoming permanent part of a nation.
In history vassals could enjoy various degrees of freedom.

SO, I could only really find one reliable source thus far. There is only one sentence here from an article on h-net.org (link below), that states: "Scots Mercenary Forces in Sixteenth Century Ireland," by Muriósa Prendergast, traces the com‐plicated family rivalries in the Emerald Isle that brought in the Scots, where they were paid in land, thus inserting a new dynamic into a land al‐ready laid waste by long and blood feuds"

Now I will admit, this is not enough to say that this was commonplace, and it specifically mentions Scots...but this does show at least SOMEONE was paying their mercenaries in land. I would love to see more on the subject matter, to be honest, and this article does make some interesting points on how mercenaries were viewed anyway.

https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.php?id=22832

That's fundamentally Vlandia's lore. Kinda rare for mercenaries to be paid in land, but we should look at what they did after that. Did they simply keep operating as a mercenary company with some land or did they become vassals? The latter seems more likely. I don't see why they would not or how a mercenary company can really operate properly without the freedom to travel without worrying about land to defend.

[Drewie]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Originally posted by alonesilverwolf:

SO, I could only really find one reliable source thus far. There is only one sentence here from an article on h-net.org (link below), that states: "Scots Mercenary Forces in Sixteenth Century Ireland," by Muriósa Prendergast, traces the com‐plicated family rivalries in the Emerald Isle that brought in the Scots, where they were paid in land, thus inserting a new dynamic into a land al‐ready laid waste by long and blood feuds"

Now I will admit, this is not enough to say that this was commonplace, and it specifically mentions Scots...but this does show at least SOMEONE was paying their mercenaries in land. I would love to see more on the subject matter, to be honest, and this article does make some interesting points on how mercenaries were viewed anyway.

https://www.h-net.org/reviews/showpdf.php?id=22832

That's fundamentally Vlandia's lore. Kinda rare for mercenaries to be paid in land, but we should look at what they did after that. Did they simply keep operating as a mercenary company with some land or did they become vassals? The latter seems more likely. I don't see why they would not or how a mercenary company can really operate properly without the freedom to travel without worrying about land to defend.

You do make a point, once I write a mod for this I'll have to find ways to defend my land while traveling.

[Starwight/ttv]

Originally posted by Drewie:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

That's fundamentally Vlandia's lore. Kinda rare for mercenaries to be paid in land, but we should look at what they did after that. Did they simply keep operating as a mercenary company with some land or did they become vassals? The latter seems more likely. I don't see why they would not or how a mercenary company can really operate properly without the freedom to travel without worrying about land to defend.

You do make a point, once I write a mod for this I'll have to find ways to defend my land while traveling.

What I imagine is a merc company would probably rotate out who defends the land vs who takes contracts. A merc band needs SOMEWHERE to live, and recover if injured, etc.

if you write a mod, I'd love to check it out once we are out of EA