Bought Wool Weaver in Poros but profits are just max 30 denars a day?

[LegendCZ]

What gives? The nearby villages have productions of sheeprs = wool = best resource to have workshop in this city for. Any idea please?

[The Dairy Devil]

I think this system is a bit wonkey at the moment. Does Poros itself have enough supply of wool?
I had this with a pottery in Iyakis. Iyakis is fed by a clay producing village but Iyakis wasn't originally my faction's and the supply seems broken after conquest with no real way to fix it.

Something that did help me was to set up a caravan in the town, it didn't help a whole lot, but it made a dent. (I went from high negatives to slightly positive and the caravan itself makes plenty of money).

[Nothing_]

I did the same setting up a wool shop in poros and just to get around 5 denars, I switched over to pottery and somehow it jumped up to 300+, maybe its a bit wonkey and hadn't been fully flushed yet.

[LegendCZ]

Originally posted by The Dairy Devil:

I think this system is a bit wonkey at the moment. Does Poros itself have enough supply of wool?
I had this with a pottery in Iyakis. Iyakis is fed by a clay producing village but Iyakis wasn't originally my faction's and the supply seems broken after conquest with no real way to fix it.

Something that did help me was to set up a caravan in the town, it didn't help a whole lot, but it made a dent. (I went from high negatives to slightly positive and the caravan itself makes plenty of money).

Ah might be. I was just currious as it is just some broken game feature again or if i did anything wrong. Thank you! And also the Supply of wool is really good there. Will buying low cost wool and selling it there help my situation as well?

Originally posted by Nothing_:

I did the same setting up a wool shop in poros and just to get around 5 denars, I switched over to pottery and somehow it jumped up to 300+, maybe its a bit wonkey and hadn't been fully flushed yet.

Thank you i will try pottery! I would chose a Caraven but it feels too OP for me. And i prefer work shops as they are better protected or rather guarded? I switch to Pottery and report back then.

[Walker]

maybe try to produce what the town most expensive item?

[Kitten Food]

There are different theories on how this works.

Which is why it would be nice if the devs actually talked to the community and explained mechanics. You know, like actual studios do?

One theory is that the price of the goods in the town that the shop uses determines how much profit they make. IE: if the clay is super cheap in a pottery town, then the pottery shop will make profit. That is why you would want a wool village in a weaver shop, but you have to let the villagers make deliveries, if bandits kill them, then that delivery never happens.

Another is that the price of the produced goods in that town are what make it profit. If pottery is expensive in a pottery shop town, then it will make bank. If it is over stocked, then it will make less profit.

Who knows! We may never know how anything truly works!

[LegendCZ]

Originally posted by Walker:

maybe try to produce what the town most expensive item?

Not a great idea to go at it IMO you should buy a workshop supported by local resourcess which the villages Poros is connected with, are sheep herds. Which means they will be supplied with wool all the time.

[LegendCZ]

Originally posted by Kitten Food:

There are different theories on how this works.

Which is why it would be nice if the devs actually talked to the community and explained mechanics. You know, like actual studios do?

One theory is that the price of the goods in the town that the shop uses determines how much profit they make. IE: if the clay is super cheap in a pottery town, then the pottery shop will make profit. That is why you would want a wool village in a weaver shop, but you have to let the villagers make deliveries, if bandits kill them, then that delivery never happens.

Another is that the price of the produced goods in that town are what make it profit. If pottery is expensive in a pottery shop town, then it will make bank. If it is over stocked, then it will make less profit.

Who knows! We may never know how anything truly works!

Yeah that would be nice if it would be explained, after my research i was lead to believe that best way to buy workshop is for Villages around the city producing certain item = lesser price = bigger profit. Yet here i am with two villages and profit of barely 50 golds per day.

[Skakk]

Another theory is that 1 of the items needed by many workshops are tools. But quite often there some towns not making tools. Perhaps this is why the caravan that was used between the towns supplied some tools enabling some growth/production.

Also the theory of bandits preventing villagers from making runs seems to be legit.
Then there is also the prosperity Vs food consumption calculation seems to be messed up.
There are mods on Nexus that seem to address this.

I would recommend installing the mod that allows you to see and personally input items to your workshop to keep it running optimally (I dont use it as I dont setup workshops 90% of the time).
Going by the mod page it seems to give you a good view of whats needed and how profit is calculated.
Also use the mod that seems to fix the negative calculation for prosperity and food consumption/production.

[Skakk]

Negative Production Fix
https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/425

Workshop Expenses Breakdown
https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/352

Workshop Stash
https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/371

[[AC] Mendôza]

I am not sure about the system aswell. I bought a pottery in Pen Cannoc, its surrounded by three clay producing Villages and made a profit of ~400 Denars a day. Not bad at all. But then i set up another one at Danustica which is surrounded by only one clay producing Village and made a Profit of ~800 Denars a day. So just a 1/3 of clay but doubled income. So i thought the supply of rss is not that important, maybe its up to the local price then. So i was looking for the local prices and they are nearly the same. Now i am confused about how this system works out and have more questions than before... :) RIP my mind.

[Lord Holland of Wessex]

I also put a wool workshop in poros and it made nearly nothing. Put a Pottery in Phycaon which has only one clay resource nearby makes between 400- 500 denars. Just no idea how its worked out atm. Rather than build a 2nd workshop i just went with a caravan which took a while to get going to make a profit but was worth it in the end.

[Skakk]

Do you know if there is another NPC pottery shop in either of the towns?
If there is competition then that could effect how many goods they sell, it also could increase/decrease the prices temporarily for the workshops to buy clay or sell produced goods for example. Also when it comes down to it, its maths and calculations. Modders have identified bad calculations with regards to village and town prosperity. Also events in the areas of towns and villages can effect supplies and prosperity, i.e. Bandits/hostile factions blocking villagers or caravans. Also the production of tools so workshops can produce may be lacking. There may also be things that have not been identified yet in the game code that need to be balanced and fleshed out by the devs.

If you use the workshop mods I posted you will be able to monitor and optimise your workshops to see whats needed to getting them running better ;)

[LegendCZ]

I prefer to play Vanila and hate moding my games, then it becames mess for me and i stop enjoying it ... Anyway its really just odd. Better of with Caravan for now? As it does not makes much sense.

I just hope Devs will pay attention to it in forseable future.

[Edbi]

shouldnt you make things which arent sold in city to make profit? like how do you want to make profit with wool in city where they sell wool for low price?

[Skakk]

@Edbi - Thats a good point.
I think this is why the devs are still testing out how this system should work, to avoid allowing players to cheat easy money but also to try and allow them to make something worthwhile, in most circumstances.

Regarding your theory. By making something that is in short or no supply in the city you allow your product to be sold at a high price, thus making more bucks per pop.
Regarding making wool, I dont think they are making wool, I think they are making products from wool. Therefore they need a steady and cheap supply of wool. This is why they set up near sheep farm villages that supply wool.

1st of Workshops have a hidden budget. Basically the money you spend on setting up the workshop approx. Workshops will buy their raw product from the town, in their case wool, and the costs of this wool will be deducted from your potential wage. If the workshop makes a loss then their balance to buy new raw matherial is diminished. There is also a chance that production will fail, even if products have been bought, leading to a bigger loss. It seems that Devs have nerfed workshops currently to test them out as alot of people complained about them giving too much cash out on game release.

Add the events around delivering of raw matherials to towns due to wars or bandits, along with lords buying up raw matherials at a cheap rate at the village when building up their armies. Then there is also a theory I heard that workshops require more than just raw matherial to produce, they also need 'tools', which are not produced in every town, or another workshop in a town has already bought them. Then potential competition of same or similar workshops in the same towns. So many things can go wrong including negative calculations on prosperity Vs Hunger Vs Loyalty