Best non-noble cavalry?

[Go0lden_Archer]

Thread. i just want easy time recruiting instead of looking for cataphracts all over))

[Go0lden_Archer]

Well, plenty of cavalry can be trained from recruits. I'm wondering which of that cavalry is best in comparison to say... Imperial Cataphracts or Vlandian Banner-Knights

[madracc00n]

Khuzait lancer if u want melee
Aserai mamlukes if u wanna horse archers

[Go0lden_Archer]

Originally posted by madrac00n:

Khuzait lancer

Cheers. Gonna go check em out)

[Badger BrownCoat]

how do ya'll feel the aserai/mamluk non-noble line cav stacks up?
the IMP bucci cav?

[Syllabus]

Khuzy heavy horse archers.

[Badger BrownCoat]

- or - I've been playing the mods a bit, curiou about vanilla experiences:
what are the 'strugis-ian" non-nobles cav like-
tradtional light jav/skirmish cav?

[madracc00n]

Originally posted by Badger BrownCoat:

- or - I've been playing the mods a bit, curiou about vanilla experiences:
what are the 'strugis-ian" non-nobles cav like-
tradtional light jav/skirmish cav?

Meh skirmish cav,they are not terrible just worse then any other cav except batanian skirmish cav.

[Badger BrownCoat]

so.. worse than anything but the other skirmish-cavalry?

offhand, the only other 'traditional' light cav /skirmish cav is the bandit ones?

- if i have theat right, could it be just javelin-skirmish cav isn't impressing?

i want to say vanilla game putsthem in the mtd archer group?

i got curious and read this thread when i realized playing mods a bit mean i'm out of toch with vanilla balance bya few patches now. ty

[ertrick36]

I'd actually say the Vlandian Vanguards are the best non-elite cavalry because they wear the next best armor (coat of plates) outside of what Imperials have access to, and Imperials don't have cavalry in their regular troop tree (apart from a horse archer class). Their horses also have the next best armor out of all regular cavalry troops.

Originally posted by Munithe EXT:

Haven't used them but the picture shows they have really short swords so they looked a bit useless to me.

You can look at them in the troop encyclopedia in-game. Because they're cavalry you'll get a pretty good view of them.

And if you turn cheats on, you can look at what each piece of equipment is like in terms of stats if you aren't already able to access those pieces of equipment. For the Sturgian cavalry, they seem to be more akin to light cavalry rather than heavy cavalry like the top tier Khuzait and Vlandian cavs are. They seem at least better than the Battanian equivalent, the Mounted Skirmisher, but in this game it doesn't really seem like the differences of light and heavy cavalry matter much. Rather, it seems like it's simply a matter of whoever has the better armor and weaponry, and in both fronts the Khuzait and Vlandian heavy cavalry are just superior.

[Badger BrownCoat]

huh..digesting these...

golden, you mentioned the catties but not the IMP Bucci

not diggin' the biscuit-eaters?

i almost never hear anyone mention th Imp bucci cav- the horse archers.
-- are they bad in vanilla?

[Maelan]

Empire are better, same kind of armor, same stats that Aserai and Khuzait except a lot more stats in Athletics , but Khuzait have strong melee cav better than the other (battanian/sturgian) because of stats. ^^

With noble troups, Sturgians are far better in one handed, vlandian with polearm, aserai with horse, so in my opinion Sturgians are better because you need to accept this fact : Horses die a lot so Sturgians can be very competitve (better than regular troops) on the field with no horse too, 280 one handed is quite a lot. :D

[Sturmhorst]

Originally posted by Badger BrownCoat:

huh..digesting these...

golden, you mentioned the catties but not the IMP Bucci

not diggin' the biscuit-eaters?

i almost never hear anyone mention th Imp bucci cav- the horse archers.
-- are they bad in vanilla?

Yes, they should be one tier lower for their horrible capabilities to kill enemies.

[Gozer]

I use bucci units with my mounted bow and sword clanmates.

I also have some Beni Zizal Royal Guards and Khuzait horse archers but the imperials have better survivability and companions dont die.

[Badger BrownCoat]

Originally posted by Sturmhorst:

i almost never hear anyone mention the Imp bucci cav- the horse archers.
-- are they bad in vanilla?
Yes, they should be one tier lower for their horrible capabilities to kill enemies.

roger, and TY - like I said, you play mods awhile, you lose sight of vanilla balance, much less after patches.
much less than that even if you're trying to make 3 mods get along into one, and they put tier 7 8 + extra units in the tree... sigh.
oh well i literally asked for it.
but yeah, my understandingis RL, Bucci - were... damn fine, sorry to hear they're poop in game.

Originally posted by Gozer:

I use bucci units with my mounted bow and sword clanmates.

I also have some Beni Zizal Royal Guards and Khuzait horse archers but the imperials have better survivability and companions dont die.

Originally posted by Gozer:

I use bucci units with my mounted bow and sword clanmates.

I also have some Beni Zizal Royal Guards and Khuzait horse archers but the imperials have better survivability and companions dont die.

ok, also interesting...
i need to go look at vanilla balance as, getting closer to ready to drop this bad boy-
in vanilla did they take their compie bows?
( the real bucci are--- a bit ..complex- but the one sub-region culture i using when & where they were inducted - and if you chose that *particular* meaning - it changes- well you can guess who they were... )
anyhow;
like i said, can't lose sight of vanilla balance, so TY

last i was on a full vanilla playthrough i had a good few of themearly on, but as a strategos of the Purple empress; i ended up with fiefs on the aserai frontier- so most of my 'core' army was often aserai troops.
i was- at the time- genuinely afraid my mamluks would try something.

and imo- the 'skirmisher' cavalry - javelin cav- it putting themas dfault behavior ( mounted archers ) "will do for now" - but from roadmap i think we'll see them shine a bit ( or atleast, not get lumped in with troops that have x times more ammo)

thanks again <o

[Liro Raériyo]

Originally posted by madrac00n:

Aserai mamlukes if u wanna horse archers

To compound on that, Aserai mamlukes if you want horse archers that hit like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ truck, Imperial Bucellarii if you want ones that distract.

Aserai Mamlukes have a noble bow and a stack of piercing arrows, so they can kill a lot of things easily, but their arrow capacity is rather meager, they wont last in a long battle.

Imperial Bucellarii i believe have a simple short bow? not sure on that one, and two stacks of bodkin arrows, their individual shots arent very impressive, but their horses are better armored and better equipped to maintain a harassing state, which is great for giving regular cavalry and basically everyone else an opportunity to engage under better conditions.