Power level?

[Pititan]

So under the diplomacy tad.. you can see all the other factions power levels... How is that calculated?

And more importantly, is there a way to lower that without going to war?

Do you guys know of any mod out there that could maybe lower snowballing... I'm in a really good save, and would not like to lose it.

[Pititan]

I thought, they'd nerfed the khuzaits in 1.3.0...

Earlier in this save it looked like it was a race between the southern empire and the khuzaits, both had around 9-10k... But I checked lately, and the southern empire is being eaten by the khuzaits, who somehow have 17k power... Is no one declaring war on them... This has been a problem ever since launch, and in my case, it's always the khuzaits..
Is there anyway knock them back in place without a war?

[The Mau Corporation]

By war do you mean directly waging war or flat-out offensive actions? Cause you will weaken a kingdom by pillaging their villages. Keep them pillaged and they'll stagnate. Problem is khuzaits are probably the fastest on the map so you gotta buildup an equally fast skirmishing force. Just keep pillaging and moving.

[Rose]

Power takes in Garrisons/Millitias/Armies and their Troop tiers higher gaining you 2-3 points.

The Khuzuaits move much faster than others just like Warband because 80% of their troops are mounted so they can choose and pick their battles much better than slower Infantry based armies

[Syllabus]

Originally posted by Rose:

Power takes in Garrisons/Millitias/Armies and their Troop tiers higher gaining you 2-3 points.

The Khuzuaits move much faster than others just like Warband because 80% of their troops are mounted so they can choose and pick their battles much better than slower Infantry based armies

They move 10% faster, which is hardly "much," as well as 10% or no, the base size is determined by the army size, so a super-large Khuzait army isn't going to outrun or catch up to anything smaller in size.

And the AI really doesn't "pick or choose" anything.

The Khuzait mobility is much exaggerated. The real cases where that mobility becomes fearsome, is actually with very small-sized armies.. like Khuzait army with 2 parties and maybe 350 men. These small size armies are the ones that can move fast enough to catch a slower AI army with something like 150~200 men -- but again, the AI doesn't make a conscious choice to intentionally form a smaller, more nimble army, and it mostly happens by chance.

[Pititan]

Originally posted by The Mau Corporation:

By war do you mean directly waging war or flat-out offensive actions? Cause you will weaken a kingdom by pillaging their villages. Keep them pillaged and they'll stagnate. Problem is khuzaits are probably the fastest on the map so you gotta buildup an equally fast skirmishing force. Just keep pillaging and moving.

Not by waging war.. as it seems like no one declares wars on them.... They've destroyed the sturgians, and are spreading like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horde.. I really dislike the khuzaits...

Thing is. I'm sure that if we declare war, there's very little chance for us...

As for raids.. it's something that I simply can't do. One, because it's pointless for the loot, and two, it does hurt their economy, but my character is an honorable character with positive traits. I simply don't want to lose that.

Originally posted by Rose:

Power takes in Garrisons/Millitias/Armies and their Troop tiers higher gaining you 2-3 points.

So it's basically the amount of men they have? I had that hunch, but thought politics and wealth had a hand in it too..

Originally posted by Syllabus:

They move 10% faster, which is hardly "much," as well as 10% or no, the base size is determined by the army size, so a super-large Khuzait army isn't going to outrun or catch up to anything smaller in size.

And the AI really doesn't "pick or choose" anything.

The Khuzait mobility is much exaggerated. The real cases where that mobility becomes fearsome, is actually with very small-sized armies.. like Khuzait army with 2 parties and maybe 350 men. These small size armies are the ones that can move fast enough to catch a slower AI army with something like 150~200 men -- but again, the AI doesn't make a conscious choice to intentionally form a smaller, more nimble army, and it mostly happens by chance.

10% could make the difference... Truth of the matter is, in my campaign, the khuzaits are unstoppable and unfortunately, they're my least favorite faction. I borderline hate them...

Really wish this wasn't an issue..some factions seem to be there just to be consumed by another... I've been playing as battania, and even with my help, we don't seem to take territory and have been in a stalemate with every faction from the beginning... We haven't grown, but have managed to lose a large variety of castles to the vlandians...

Earlier in the playthrough the empire was really strong and I would of thought the empire would come out on top against the khuzaits.. but I guess I was wrong, in my current playthrough, they're the strongest faction in the land, and control a vast territory, because no one really seems to declare war on them... The only war they've had is Against the southern empire, and they've been winning..

I thought they had nerfed the khuzaits in 1.3.0

[Rose]

I'm pretty sure it's just their troops power. That's calculated to make it. I could be wrong but from my own Empire I had I can say that I don't think wealth is part of the calculations

[Syllabus]

Originally posted by KFSM Pititan:

10% could make the difference... Truth of the matter is, in my campaign, the khuzaits are unstoppable and unfortunately, they're my least favorite faction. I borderline hate them...

It really doesn't. At least, not in the way the AI prefers to make armies numbering easily over 600~800 and well up to even 2,000 at times. When an army size grows that big, the 10% difference isn't big enough to provide any kind of significant advantage over any other in terms of mobility.

The "Khuzait superiority" -- so to speak -- comes from something else. Their blessed, strategic location on the map. The Khuzaits simply have the lowest chance to be fighting a war against more than one opponent at a time. They are the polar opposite of the Sturgians, who have the largest chance to be declared war upon my multiple enemies at any given time.

Khuzaits, almost never fight anyone one on one, or get ganged up more than one on one. The odds are, the Khuzaits always gang up on other kingdoms in a two on one fight, and fight outside their borders, never on their own turf. It's just the way how the map is made currently.

Really wish this wasn't an issue..some factions seem to be there just to be consumed by another... I've been playing as battania, and even with my help, we don't seem to take territory and have been in a stalemate with every faction from the beginning... We haven't grown, but have managed to lose a large variety of castles to the vlandians...

Earlier in the playthrough the empire was really strong and I would of thought the empire would come out on top against the khuzaits.. but I guess I was wrong, in my current playthrough, they're the strongest faction in the land, and control a vast territory, because no one really seems to declare war on them... The only war they've had is Against the southern empire, and they've been winning..

I thought they had nerfed the khuzaits in 1.3.0

It is precisely, because it's not the problem of units or armies or their passive faction traits. So long as their location remains the same, they will always grow strong.

As a matter of fact, I'd like to ask modders to try a mod where Khuzaits and Sturgia has their positions swapped entirely. I'm willing to bet Sturgia, will then become the new Khuzaits.

[Pititan]

Originally posted by Syllabus:

It really doesn't. At least, not in the way the AI prefers to make armies numbering easily over 600~800 and well up to even 2,000 at times. When an army size grows that big, the 10% difference isn't big enough to provide any kind of significant advantage over any other in terms of mobility.

The "Khuzait superiority" -- so to speak -- comes from something else. Their blessed, strategic location on the map. The Khuzaits simply have the lowest chance to be fighting a war against more than one opponent at a time. They are the polar opposite of the Sturgians, who have the largest chance to be declared war upon my multiple enemies at any given time.

Khuzaits, almost never fight anyone one on one, or get ganged up more than one on one. The odds are, the Khuzaits always gang up on other kingdoms in a two on one fight, and fight outside their borders, never on their own turf. It's just the way how the map is made currently.

That's exactly right.. they're map positioning is impeccable.
I have also noticed that they are almost never ganged up on... The 10% movement speed, I'd believe, is the main reason they can Dodge 1v1s... As well as the cav bonus that simulation gives them, a horse based faction.

In my playthrough, I have noticed that the khuzaits really only seem to go to war against the southern empire... While the southern empire upholds wars with multiple factions, thus they are losing.

It is precisely, because it's not the problem of units or armies or their passive faction traits. So long as their location remains the same, they will always grow strong.

As a matter of fact, I'd like to ask modders to try a mod where Khuzaits and Sturgia has their positions swapped entirely. I'm willing to bet Sturgia, will then become the new Khuzaits.

That'd be a nice experiment... Sturgia is more open to attacks then the khuzaits. Would be interesting to see how they'd defend and if they would snowball...

[Sturmhorst]

Originally posted by KFSM Pititan:

So under the diplomacy tad.. you can see all the other factions power levels... How is that calculated?

And more importantly, is there a way to lower that without going to war?

Do you guys know of any mod out there that could maybe lower snowballing... I'm in a really good save, and would not like to lose it.

I have seen it change after capturing lord, taking a fief and most common: kill their soldiers.
No way without war.
But you can support their enemies if you don't want to fight direct:
!!!Sell food to their enemies who lay siege on their castles!!! This will have the biggest influence and make them not abort the siege that easily (most sieges fail due to low food!).