Is using macros in multiplayer considered cheating? (Yes it is)

[Rykmentti]

So I was playing a siege and I noticed this guy who was very good at manual blocks, making seemingly impossible blocks and swings. (Turning to the character right while doing a left side swing or doing multiple blocks for my feints with no margin for error etc.)

So I dueled him couple times and then I confronted him about it and he told me he was using macros. A program, that you can use to simulate keyboard presses and mouse movement and then designate an input that simulates those inputs. So you can have 8 different inputs. 4 for left/right handed swing, overhead swing, thrust and 4 for blocks instead mouse movement and two buttons.

He also told me that in regular M&B there was an option to use inputs for all 4 blocks and 4 strikes. So it was pretty much stupid to use mouse aiming when you had superior control scheme right in front of you. (I didn't even know it existed back in M&B)

Are there inputs for all strikes and blocks in the control menu somewhere? I couldn't find it, if not, isn't that an unfair advantage over other players? Since we can't use this same control method in the game without external program.

I told him about this and he didn't consider it cheating, since he was doing same thing that was viable in M&B Multiplayer.

But still... If this is allowed, I'm sure as hell are going to learn everything I need to know about macros and start using them, since it seems to be so much more effective and reliable way to play the game.

I couldn't find any thread discussing this so I decided to make one. Discuss!

Edit: Please developers. If this thread is any clue, community would greatly appreciate your thoughts on this matter. Thank you!

Edit 2: Thank you for the clarification.

[SquidNeko]

I dont think this should be allowed in Multiplayer. You should do it yourself so its your own skill. Not an macro or program.

[Lechuck's Beard]

Blatant cheating imo.The game was designed to be played with the control schemes set out for us by the developers. But like every single game out there, cheaters rear their ugly heads.

[Duncan]

Doesnt feel like cheating, it s just not in the game yet
would definitively be an unfair advantage tho

[Kajsa_Kavat]

If it's a feature like he said it was in Warband, that's okay.
But it doesn't (seem to) exist here so it's cheating.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

I've been using macros on numerous games for years, I don't consider it cheating at all.

In competitive pvp, macros are 100% cheating.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

In competitive pvp, macros are 100% cheating.

Depends on the game.

No, not really.

[La Volpe]

Well, he is using a 3rd party software to get an upper hand, if thats not considered cheating by the book i dont know what is.
Its just taking the easy route, instead of learning to handle this system some might feel smart in tricking it. Usually people like that wont consider the fun of other parties.

So with that he can portray his big genitals and assert dominance over people who play the game as is intended at the moment.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

No, not really.

Mhmm... Yeah kinda, Some games your just meant to use macro's

You will literally never find any player vs player competition in which macros are allowed.

[Dudeskio]

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

Depends on the game.

No, not really.

Yes, really. Macros are 100% allowed in WoW pvp.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by rw_confucius:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

No, not really.

Yes, really. Macros are 100% allowed in WoW pvp.

I said competitive.

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

You will literally never find any player vs player competition in which macros are allowed.

Not true.

Oh really.
Point me out an e-sport in which macros are allowed.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

I said competitive.

That is competitive, Now that i think about it, Macro's were also allowed in SWG pvp too.

Don't make me laugh.

[Lasoor]

He is not doing anything a player would be incapable of doing on their own. He is not cheating. Controlling your own inputs can not be considered cheating because by that logic someone who uses a different controller is a cheater to, anything other than a mouse and keyboard. How you tell the game what you want to do is up to you.

[Free Luigi M.]

Originally posted by Lasoor:

He is not doing anything a player would be incapable of doing on their own. He is not cheating. Controlling your own inputs can not be considered cheating because by that logic someone who uses a different controller is a cheater to, anything other than a mouse and keyboard. How you tell the game what you want to do is up to you.

Using a program to manipulate your inputs so as to allow you to perform tasks that you would yourself not be able to perform is, without a doubt, cheating.

[Enelith]

Originally posted by Kek Von Dabsmark:

Originally posted by Joe Chip:

I said competitive.

That is competitive

Haha. No.

[La Volpe]

Originally posted by Lasoor:

He is not doing anything a player would be incapable of doing on their own. He is not cheating. Controlling your own inputs can not be considered cheating because by that logic someone who uses a different controller is a cheater to, anything other than a mouse and keyboard. How you tell the game what you want to do is up to you.

So lets assume i had the knowledge, can i write an AI that fights for me? I mean, i just want an AI to do the inputs for me, nothing wrong with that then if i follow your logic.