Make the different Empire factions have different troops?

[Mr.Person]

I was thinking that it would be cool if one of the Empire faction had the aesthetic and troops like the Roman Empire (western) during its height like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/12/e4/6e/12e46e937d3ce7eb2f10c527086ac738--roman-helmet-roman-legion.jpg

and have another be the way it is now, more Byzantine (Eastern Roman) in style. Though its weird, I saw some minor faction with Triarii and other traditional Roman troop names, so maybe they will do something like that later.

[Whitehaven]

... The empire was one big thing up just a few years ago in-game-lore-wise. Why do you expect them to have different aesthetics like the ROmans and Byzantium who had around two hundred years of separation between their cultures?

[Mr.Person]

Because its a fictional setting and different aesthetics are cooler than having 3 factions that are the exact same.

[Straybow]

I wouldn't mind slight differences between them. Vaegir Guards being in the Northern Empire or something like that.

[Whitehaven]

Originally posted by Mr.Person:

Because its a fictional setting and different aesthetics are cooler than having 3 factions that are the exact same.

The Empires are connected to the MAIN STORy quest, about the different aesthetics you have 5 other nations with completely different looks... and the game is still not even on the open market yet , which means they can incorporate even more nations in it.

[Mr.Person]

Originally posted by Whitehaven:

Originally posted by Mr.Person:

Because its a fictional setting and different aesthetics are cooler than having 3 factions that are the exact same.

The Empires are connected to the MAIN STORy quest, about the different aesthetics you have 5 other nations with completely different looks... and the game is still not even on the open market yet , which means they can incorporate even more nations in it.

Yea but its a sandbox game, nobody really cares about plot/story, most just join the faction they think is coolest/best.

But yea I'm still hoping later in development they make them different somehow, as I mentioned some minor faction had Triarii and other Western Roman troop names but I don't remember what minor faction it was and I haven't seen them since. So maybe they will use them later.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Mr.Person:

Originally posted by Whitehaven:

The Empires are connected to the MAIN STORy quest, about the different aesthetics you have 5 other nations with completely different looks... and the game is still not even on the open market yet , which means they can incorporate even more nations in it.

Yea but its a sandbox game, nobody really cares about plot/story, most just join the faction they think is coolest/best.

But yea I'm still hoping later in development they make them different somehow, as I mentioned some minor faction had Triarii and other Western Roman troop names but I don't remember what minor faction it was and I haven't seen them since. So maybe they will use them later.

Legion of the Betrayed.

[Bumbleton]

I actually support this, so long as it keeps the overall Empire theme. More Romanish in the Western Empire, which is said to support the supposedly disbanded State Legionary. The Northern empire could use soldiers that have a moreso Mercenary, private-army ideal, as their army is meant to only be senator run, private retinues. Whereas the southern empire could make use of whats left of the Veagir guard.

[Mr.Person]

Originally posted by Lysimarkos:

Legion of the Betrayed.

Thanks, wish I could recruit some of their troops

Originally posted by Lord Bumbleton:

I actually support this, so long as it keeps the overall Empire theme. More Romanish in the Western Empire, which is said to support the supposedly disbanded State Legionary. The Northern empire could use soldiers that have a moreso Mercenary, private-army ideal, as their army is meant to only be senator run, private retinues. Whereas the southern empire could make use of whats left of the Veagir guard.

Sounds good to me

[Mr.Person]

I get that argument, but that is just lore as to why they are broken up so they don't steamroll everybody if they started out united. If your going to have different factions, make them actually somewhat different instead of just slight recolors.

[KCThePandaman]

Originally posted by OverAgroMaia:

I dont think they should have different troops exactly, but I do think they should go the way of Alexanders empire or Romes triumvirate, and they should be similar in troops but different in style to reflect their cultural differences.

However the thing that works against that is allegedly the 3 factions were a single faction that split up after the emperor died;
The south is where his wife is (and I believe regent for the child ruler)
The west is where the military generals are
And the north is the senate/politicians

All saying "I should rule"
So thats the argument against changing them.

Well then they still can make it a little diffrent.
The south is more supported towards the royale family of the empire, here u cut have royale troops. better in infantry units than the other empire factions
The west is more military focus, so maybe they have better achers than the other empire factions
the north is the old senate/politicians, here it also makes sence, there where more higher class citizens of the old empire, and therefor richer clans,they wut have the money for horse and training for better cavalry units than the oter empire factions.

they can all have the same base units, but maybe have diffrent special units, or tie 5/6 units.

[Egro]

I can see them have different elite troops for sure. South could have the Excubitors "imperial guards", West get the Bucellarii "praetorian", North get nothing cuz I hate politicians.

[Darth Revan]

Originally posted by Mr.Person:

I was thinking that it would be cool if one of the Empire faction had the aesthetic and troops like the Roman Empire (western) during its height like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/12/e4/6e/12e46e937d3ce7eb2f10c527086ac738--roman-helmet-roman-legion.jpg

and have another be the way it is now, more Byzantine (Eastern Roman) in style. Though its weird, I saw some minor faction with Triarii and other traditional Roman troop names, so maybe they will do something like that later.

that type of equipment would be outdated for the time this game is inspired by.

anyway since they got rid of the legion system in favor of a more private noble army system it could make sense that there are different kind of equipments in the imperial armies.

back then when the roman republic reformed their military system and the general had to pay for the equipment of his troops himselfe with his private money roman legions could look vastly different depending on how much money the general had available to spend for equipping his troops.

however i quite like that they have the same troops in the game because that means more sources of recruits for the troops i love the look of. :)

but if you dont like that there is a mod on the nexus called "Separate Imperial Troop Trees":

https://www.nexusmods.com/mountandblade2bannerlord/mods/74

[Mr.Person]

The stuff about how it was in real life doesn't concern me much, its a fantasy universe, they can make whatever rules they want and explain it away with lore, like they did with the rest of the factions.

Thanks for the mod link, will keep an eye on it and hopefully its expanded on more later.

[RicWalker]

I think this comment is not about making them different as to have actual romans in the game.

I bet all pro to changes just want their Segmentata Lorica, Scutum, Pilum and Gladius wearing Tier 6 Unit in the game to steamroll everything with a proper legion.

As much i would like this to see, right now i really dont like that to be implemented. The balance is bad right now. If the changes would be only in cosmetics, fine. but changing trooptrees? No and this is why:

right now i love the fact, that i can recruit in so many cities and i wish all empire lords could recruit from the other 2 empire factions too! they dont do that yet and thats why they often get steamrolled. if they lose the first battle they are minus 400 troops and 4 lords and than have only 3 cities and up to 12 villages to recover from. Unless the player helps as mercenary, such a loosing empire faction is spiraling downwards.
In my 2nd playthrough right now i would have no chance to rescue western empire with an empire troops only army, if i would be only able to recrut from Western empire settlements. The Battanians steamroll them 2 cities and one castle and without my help they would never recovered one of the cities.

[Mr.Person]

Hmm, Well I'd at least appreciate some sort of visual distinction, at least making the legionaires have something similar to the picture I posted but have the same stats as the other imperial troops.

However I doubt there is a way to tie different troop visuals to different factions using the same troops, even though that'd be awesome. Like I said maybe later down the line using that one minor faction's troop set, or maybe one of those Vanilla enhanced mods like there were for Warband.