Vlandia Overpowered?

[[DeusVult] Eisengrind]

Hey there,
I wonder if Vlandia is as much overpowered in your game as in mine. I Joined them because I like their units and we just steamroll the map. And if I say steamroll I mean total dominance. I am scared the game is over in a few hours... Is there a way I can turn the tides? Like....murder the king?

[Vermel Silk]

Well that is interesting. At least it is not the same factions dominating. A living world is fun.

[gamester512]

引用自 Parrhesiastes：

Yes, you not only "can turn the tides", that's your job as the player.

You can win battles against much larger forces, you can crush their armies and take their fiefs... basically, you're supposed to be doing exactly what the Vlandians are doing to you.

That's how you win.

Save your game and give it a shot. Pick a fight with enemy faction troops that are smaller than you...then work your way up. I suspect you'll find it's much easier than waking up Robin Hood in his hideout.

All of Calradia is waiting for you to unite them under your banner.

You don't even necessarily need a larger force to win. In one instance I had two consecutive battles where my side was at a numerical disadvantage (first battle was 520 [them] against 490 [us], and the second was 118 [them] vs 99 [us]) and yet my side still won both battles and after the two battles I walked away with 7 enemy Lords as my prisoners (I was also by far the strongest Lord in my faction at the time and my fief had by far the strongest garrison and defenses, as my Fief was literally an "island" smack dab in the middle of enemy territory by that point after the enemy faction conquered every other Fief around mine, and yet they never tried to besiege MY Fief with it's garrison & militia making up a combined total of 900 troops).

[[DeusVult] Eisengrind]

引用自 gamester512：

引用自 Parrhesiastes：

Yes, you not only "can turn the tides", that's your job as the player.

You can win battles against much larger forces, you can crush their armies and take their fiefs... basically, you're supposed to be doing exactly what the Vlandians are doing to you.

That's how you win.

Save your game and give it a shot. Pick a fight with enemy faction troops that are smaller than you...then work your way up. I suspect you'll find it's much easier than waking up Robin Hood in his hideout.

All of Calradia is waiting for you to unite them under your banner.

You don't even necessarily need a larger force to win. In one instance I had two consecutive battles where my side was at a numerical disadvantage (first battle was 520 [them] against 490 [us], and the second was 118 [them] vs 99 [us]) and yet my side still won both battles and after the two battles I walked away with 7 enemy Lords as my prisoners (I was also by far the strongest Lord in my faction at the time and my fief had by far the strongest garrison and defenses, as my Fief was literally an "island" smack dab in the middle of enemy territory by that point after the enemy faction conquered every other Fief around mine, and yet they never tried to besiege MY Fief with it's garrison & militia making up a combined total of 900 troops).

Well in my game some armies run around with 1000 forces.... that is nothing you can beat solo.

[gamester512]

引用自 DeusVult Eisengrind：

引用自 gamester512：

You don't even necessarily need a larger force to win. In one instance I had two consecutive battles where my side was at a numerical disadvantage (first battle was 520 [them] against 490 [us], and the second was 118 [them] vs 99 [us]) and yet my side still won both battles and after the two battles I walked away with 7 enemy Lords as my prisoners (I was also by far the strongest Lord in my faction at the time and my fief had by far the strongest garrison and defenses, as my Fief was literally an "island" smack dab in the middle of enemy territory by that point after the enemy faction conquered every other Fief around mine, and yet they never tried to besiege MY Fief with it's garrison & militia making up a combined total of 900 troops).

Well in my game some armies run around with 1000 forces.... that is nothing you can beat solo.

Not on offense, no. But in a defensive siege you certainly can beat that solo if you have a large enough garrison. After all, the defending force in a siege tends to have the advantage since they always have the most easily defensible positions, so a besieging force would need a larger number of troops than the defenders to even be capable of capturing the city/castle.

[White Knight]

引用自 DeusVult Eisengrind：

I am completely new to mount&blade... What do you mean? I was thinking about abandoning them, try to take a city ( but god know how ) and build my own empire... but I have no Idea how to start that and how to make money after that since my income right now is WAR.

edit : since am realy bad at the game I guess... I can´t take on bigger enemies... I don´t know how to properly coordinate my units.

Well, there are no "victory conditions" that we are given, so this is really an opinion. Based on previous games from TaleWorlds (Mount & Blade, Mount & Blade: Warband, Viking Conquest), the objective is to kill your enemies, take their castles and rule the map.

That's hard and it takes a very long time to accomplish, so the vast majority of players have never done it. From my perspective, it's why I'm there.

In game terms, you have Calradia, a region that is perpetually at war. Pointless struggles that put stress on the people and the land. The player can be a force that brings in an era of prosperity and peace, but first they have to kill all of the "bad guys" (or convince them to play along?).

One could simply enjoy the pointy-stabby aspects of the game and never get beyond that. I suspect that is the appeal of multiplayer? All of those other games I mentioned had no "story" so I came up with my own.

Owning the map also happens to be a victory condition that is recognized by other players. Those tend to be the players I enjoy talking to about the game, and how to play it better.

As for your own struggles, if you want, you can improve. Start small with things you can handle and work your way up to bigger challenges. No one walks in and rules the map (especially those who tell you otherwise). It takes practice, like everything else. Or, you could just run around naked and hit things with a big sword...that's fine too.

引用自 DeusVult Eisengrind：

Well in my game some armies run around with 1000 forces.... that is nothing you can beat solo.

I think you might have me confused with another player? I'm not the guy who takes castles by himself.

I mentioned how the player can win against significant odds for a reason. Many players don't ever realize that the game is actually very forgiving...it's a hero fantasy after all. For this game, much of my experience with older titles may not be that relevant? I don't have a core group of elite soldiers to dominate the map with, but I have a good army and a faction that I can call upon.

Not knowing what you mean by "solo", it's hard to comment but if you mean the player character with no army, and no companions, etc....well "duh?", of course that won't get you very far. There are others who will learn to do it just to make a point, however...that's not me.

I have an army, I have companions, and I'm not afraid to call up my pals by spending influence points. As such, I defeated two massive armies of 1,000+ enemy soldiers yesterday. Both times, I was jumped by the faction I was besieging. My army had just over 400 guys in total. That's not terribly impressive by Warband standards.

I tried to fight a force that was eight times greater last night - that didn't work out so well. That was too much for me to handle. My point is to encourage others to find their sweet spot, not cower from looters and cry about bandits.

Now that I'm thinking of it, taking castles solo is probably a lot easier in this game than any of the older titles? With siege machines, weak garrisons, and player near-invulnerability...such feats never seemed so tantalizing before?

[TomOfFinland]

The problem that Vlandia has, is that they have WAY more better beginning armies than the other factions do. They have insane amounts of good cavalry. I'm currently playing as Sturgia and while our armies consisted 2/3 of militia units, the Vlandians had huge cavalry superiority.
600v600 battle and the Vlandians had almost 200 heavy cav. That is just too much at the very beginning.

[gamester512]

引用自 Peltsi：

The problem that Vlandia has, is that they have WAY more better beginning armies than the other factions do. They have insane amounts of good cavalry. I'm currently playing as Sturgia and while our armies consisted 2/3 of militia units, the Vlandians had huge cavalry superiority.
600v600 battle and the Vlandians had almost 200 heavy cav. That is just too much at the very beginning.

Of course, the drawback to Vlandia's superb cavalry (and their early access to it) is that their cavalry is useless (or pretty damn close to it) during Sieges, since the cavalry (with perhaps only mounted archers as an exception being able to take potshots at defenders with their bows) would either have to abandon their mounts and fight on foot or wait until allied forces had already secured a route through the fortifications (like breaking down the front gates), and in the meantime they're basically sitting ducks that archers can take potshots at unless they stay well out of range or keep moving.

This is also true to a lesser extent when attacking a Hideout, though even without their horses, Heavy Cav units will probably still outperform any kind of bandit thanks to their heavy armor.

Though Vlandia also has one other advantage: their background trait for simply being Vlandian makes their troops gain XP 20% more quickly, so they will have access to higher tier troops much sooner than the other factions as a result. Plus, just in general, many of their troops gain access to heavy armor pretty early on, even their infantry and crossbowmen.

[PandaBonanza]

I sided with Asaria? Aseria? (whatever) first. Vlandia steamrolled through my allies armies, so I switched sides. Now Vlandia owns most of the world except maybe 6 settlements. I have 3k influence but dont even show up on the option list when settlements are captured (EVEN IF I LED THE ASSAULT WITH 1/4 OF THE SETTLEMENTS TROOPS). Also leveling seems difficult as im level 14 and 800ish days in. ALSO, made my first million today, whoo

[gamester512]

引用自 PandaBonanza：

I sided with Asaria? Aseria? (whatever) first. Vlandia steamrolled through my allies armies, so I switched sides. Now Vlandia owns most of the world except maybe 6 settlements. I have 3k influence but dont even show up on the option list when settlements are captured (EVEN IF I LED THE ASSAULT WITH 1/4 OF THE SETTLEMENTS TROOPS). Also leveling seems difficult as im level 14 and 800ish days in. ALSO, made my first million today, whoo

Not as bad as one of my playthroughs. Sided with the Southern Empire and was given Zeonica as my first Fief right after it was captured (with majority support!)....and then I haven't been given even ONE additional Fief even though I have actively helped to capture (and in a few cases RE-CAPTURE) a Fief at least 8 times so far, with me often providing a significant portion of the army's forces (and apparently their food supply too....gluttonous jerks, why can't they bring their OWN food to a Siege, why do they have to leech/mooch off of MY food stores that I only brought to feed MY troops?). Because of how much Rhagaea has been pretty much ignoring my contributions to the war, I'm seriously considering defecting to Vlandia in that playthrough, and taking the strongest Fief the Southern Empire even HAS at this point WITH me (and if I do that, Rhagaea's pretty much screwed, Zeonica is pretty much the only major Fief the Southern Empire has left that can actually hold out against a Vlandian siege).

[[DeusVult] Eisengrind]

Update :
My game is became pretty balanced. I am at day 820. Vlandia is still the strongest faction but only by 1000 forces. The kings army just lost a battle. He and a ton ob nobles got captured. Vlandia, Battania and Khuzait are the only faction left.
War of three kingdoms. I have a city with 2 castles attached and ~500 >t3 forces, 500k on the bank and still wondering if I shall betray them and leave.

I would love to conquer the world but I am dead sure in this state of game you can rule the world of how the AI basically runs around with 1000 forces armies.

[Mechagran]

引用自 DeusVult Eisengrind：

Hey there,
I wonder if Vlandia is as much overpowered in your game as in mine. I Joined them because I like their units and we just steamroll the map. And if I say steamroll I mean total dominance. I am scared the game is over in a few hours... Is there a way I can turn the tides? Like....murder the king?

I joined Vlandia and we almost got spanked by Western Empire early-mid game. We are at peace and ive just got my banner up, so we shall see....but overall Empire and kicking everyone about.

[Responsible Fatherjk]

引用自 gamester512：

引用自 PandaBonanza：

I sided with Asaria? Aseria? (whatever) first. Vlandia steamrolled through my allies armies, so I switched sides. Now Vlandia owns most of the world except maybe 6 settlements. I have 3k influence but dont even show up on the option list when settlements are captured (EVEN IF I LED THE ASSAULT WITH 1/4 OF THE SETTLEMENTS TROOPS). Also leveling seems difficult as im level 14 and 800ish days in. ALSO, made my first million today, whoo

Not as bad as one of my playthroughs. Sided with the Southern Empire and was given Zeonica as my first Fief right after it was captured (with majority support!)....and then I haven't been given even ONE additional Fief even though I have actively helped to capture (and in a few cases RE-CAPTURE) a Fief at least 8 times so far, with me often providing a significant portion of the army's forces (and apparently their food supply too....gluttonous jerks, why can't they bring their OWN food to a Siege, why do they have to leech/mooch off of MY food stores that I only brought to feed MY troops?). Because of how much Rhagaea has been pretty much ignoring my contributions to the war, I'm seriously considering defecting to Vlandia in that playthrough, and taking the strongest Fief the Southern Empire even HAS at this point WITH me (and if I do that, Rhagaea's pretty much screwed, Zeonica is pretty much the only major Fief the Southern Empire has left that can actually hold out against a Vlandian siege).

Thats why you farm influence so you can get those settlements. Unlike the other game where your contributions are more recognised, this one is more how influential you are. If your the winning faction by far you can rack up a heap of influence and if can look for influence bonuses in the policy tab of the kingdom to help boost that passive influence

[[DeusVult] Eisengrind]

引用自 Hannibal Barca：

引用自 gamester512：

Not as bad as one of my playthroughs. Sided with the Southern Empire and was given Zeonica as my first Fief right after it was captured (with majority support!)....and then I haven't been given even ONE additional Fief even though I have actively helped to capture (and in a few cases RE-CAPTURE) a Fief at least 8 times so far, with me often providing a significant portion of the army's forces (and apparently their food supply too....gluttonous jerks, why can't they bring their OWN food to a Siege, why do they have to leech/mooch off of MY food stores that I only brought to feed MY troops?). Because of how much Rhagaea has been pretty much ignoring my contributions to the war, I'm seriously considering defecting to Vlandia in that playthrough, and taking the strongest Fief the Southern Empire even HAS at this point WITH me (and if I do that, Rhagaea's pretty much screwed, Zeonica is pretty much the only major Fief the Southern Empire has left that can actually hold out against a Vlandian siege).

Thats why you farm influence so you can get those settlements. Unlike the other game where your contributions are more recognised, this one is more how influential you are. If your the winning faction by far you can rack up a heap of influence and if can look for influence bonuses in the policy tab of the kingdom to help boost that passive influence

Well farming influence is the one thing. I got tons of influence, got the king and most of the nobles on relation 100 and still i can´t do anything. Propose to get a new city? Nope. New Castle? Nope. New laws? Nope. Despite being the only one destroying tons of enemy armies and no one cares.

[Mr.MM]

In my game Khuzait practically own half of the map now, western empire is done for like 200 days early game, North and South constantly on the verge of death. Me? I'm just another contender kingdom in the center, whenever nearby settlement/castle is being taken by other faction, I immediately attack them then make peace after, I'm filthy rich lol

[gamester512]

引用自 Hannibal Barca：

引用自 gamester512：

Not as bad as one of my playthroughs. Sided with the Southern Empire and was given Zeonica as my first Fief right after it was captured (with majority support!)....and then I haven't been given even ONE additional Fief even though I have actively helped to capture (and in a few cases RE-CAPTURE) a Fief at least 8 times so far, with me often providing a significant portion of the army's forces (and apparently their food supply too....gluttonous jerks, why can't they bring their OWN food to a Siege, why do they have to leech/mooch off of MY food stores that I only brought to feed MY troops?). Because of how much Rhagaea has been pretty much ignoring my contributions to the war, I'm seriously considering defecting to Vlandia in that playthrough, and taking the strongest Fief the Southern Empire even HAS at this point WITH me (and if I do that, Rhagaea's pretty much screwed, Zeonica is pretty much the only major Fief the Southern Empire has left that can actually hold out against a Vlandian siege).

Thats why you farm influence so you can get those settlements. Unlike the other game where your contributions are more recognised, this one is more how influential you are. If your the winning faction by far you can rack up a heap of influence and if can look for influence bonuses in the policy tab of the kingdom to help boost that passive influence

It's not my influence that's the issue, I have enough that I could easily blow 300 Influence multiple times on votes, but every time a Fief is captured, Rhagaea ALWAYS takes it for herself even when she has 0% approval to do so. At this rate I'm waiting to see if her other Vassals will defect out of anger, and if they do, I'll defect with them.