What's the point of two handed weapons?

[Project Danny]

Like they are kinda useless lol. (Playing in realistic mode)

I wanted to play as a 2 handed viking who throws axes.... but even hiding behind my men I get 2 shot by arrows and you cant block arrows with a two hander....

But when I play with a shield I can just sit there for days taking arrows while my archers pound them to death. I can also kill way more people with a shield too and I can get close to enemy archers with it.

With two hander... well... you cant block arrows.... so you cant get in close....

Even if you hide behind your troops when there is around 100 archers shooting arrows at your troops even if your behind them your gona get hit....

Seems unless you play with a shield your gona have a massively hard time. Archers just dominate.

I did try using a shield to get in close to the enemy then switching to two hander but... yeah I just got shot in the head by his friend behind him while switching from my shield to a two hander....

I know I know..... "git gud" or... "you suck" maybe your right.... but I do fantastic with sword and shield... and I tank the arrows and damage for my soldiers with my shield...

I dont know.... any thoughts?

[Bob]

2h sword is the ultimate symbol of the alpha male, dont forget that. Thats good enough reason for me.

[Rune_Thor]

In this game nothing is realistic. Armour is like paper. Full plate arrows are USELESS...here you would die easily.
When crafting somehow curved swords have more swing damage even tho that's not true.
You give a sword EXTREMELY LONG HANDLE it doesn't increase reach enough. You give it 1h handle reach longer than 2h.
Sword blades always only gain length and 0 width.
Some blades can get extremely long others barely change with increase.
When the character holds the sword it's like it's all off.

This game needs so much work it's ridiculous. For a small company that made 100 million $ and after 8 years this really was not supposed to happen.

This feels like they spent all their money and they are desperate so they went EA.

This worries me a lot. Feels like a scam...seen to many went same way....

[VoiD]

Rune_Thor původně napsal:

In this game nothing is realistic. Armour is like paper. Full plate arrows are USELESS...here you would die easily.
When crafting somehow curved swords have more swing damage even tho that's not true.
You give a sword EXTREMELY LONG HANDLE it doesn't increase reach enough. You give it 1h handle reach longer than 2h.
Sword blades always only gain length and 0 width.
Some blades can get extremely long others barely change with increase.
When the character holds the sword it's like it's all off.

This game needs so much work it's ridiculous. For a small company that made 100 million $ and after 8 years this really was not supposed to happen.

This feels like they spent all their money and they are desperate so they went EA.

This worries me a lot. Feels like a scam...seen to many went same way....

There is no full plate in this game.

I agree, armor needs some balancing, and it seems like it's getting it, but that issue by itself is really tiny, really minor, it's a simple number switch.

Only real issue with the game is the crashing, but every day a new patch fixing one crash is coming out, if you don't count that it's already one of the best games on steam as it is, and it's only going to get better.

[Lone Star]

The point of using two handed weapons is to use both hands to do one thing.

[Lone Star]

Take it easy Rune_Thor! Angry Much! Lol!

[kekkuli]

I find 2 handers the easiest weapon type to fight with. Arrows can be problem yeah, you have to be careful or maybe bring a shield if you think you will be needing it.

[Waclaw83]

Project Danny původně napsal:

I dont know.... any thoughts?

Heavy executioners axe to quickly kill any and all who think they can get away from the fight and deny me their sweet chunk of experience points. That's why I have it anyway.

[Morkonan]

Project Danny původně napsal:

Like they are kinda useless lol. (Playing in realistic mode)

I wanted to play as a 2 handed viking who throws axes.... but even hiding behind my men I get 2 shot by arrows and you cant block arrows with a two hander.......
I dont know.... any thoughts?

Armor is of the upmost importance for any melee build, especially one that can't use a shield... ;) Hit-points are a good choice, too, as well as any other perks.

But, you can wield a Two-Handed weapon using both hands while on horseback. In Warband, this was not possible.

Two-handed weapons wielded from horseback are wtf-overpowered-nasty... Huge hits, lots damage, much wow. Practically broken as those weapons are getting swing calcs just like any other weapon used by the player on a charging horse. That's probably something they need to examine.

Anyway, ride a horse, dodge flights of arrows, wield giant two-handed weapons of doom while cutting huge swaths through enemy formations... profit?

Otherwise, in foot melee, get the perks you need. Don't neglect Athletics perks. If the perks aren't working right now, they will be eventually. (All the one's I've examined, like Combat perks, seem to be working. But, obviously, I haven't examined them all.)

Stack armor. You don't have to carry a heavy shield so dedicate that weight to even more armor.

[Supply Side Jesus]

Historically, 2 handed weapons were one of the few ways to hurt someone in plate armor. Full plate would make one invulnerable to arrows, nearly invulnerable to all but heaviest crossbows, immune to slashing attacks. So 2 handed hammers and 2 handed swords and lances were how plated knights fought each other.

[kekkuli]

Supply Side Jesus původně napsal:

Historically, 2 handed weapons were one of the few ways to hurt someone in plate armor. Full plate would make one invulnerable to arrows, nearly invulnerable to all but heaviest crossbows, immune to slashing attacks. So 2 handed hammers and 2 handed swords and lances were how plated knights fought each other.

2h swords not really, but warhammers, poleaxes and polehammers for sure. Those are really the only things that can actually punch a hole to plate armor.

[Ri0Rdian]

I have this problem that when I use my 1/2h sword (Early Retirement, you know it for sure) on horseback I miss a ton, like impossibly. Against foot I usually aim too high or release too early and against mounted I almost exclusively aim too high. With polearms (pointy sticks ftw) I always hit the head, at worst shoulder. Otherwise Id use the sword, 1h/2h combo with shield and bow + arrows is great (plus I give up shield in nonsiege fights for a lance).

[Enigmatory]

Supply Side Jesus původně napsal:

Historically, 2 handed weapons were one of the few ways to hurt someone in plate armor. Full plate would make one invulnerable to arrows, nearly invulnerable to all but heaviest crossbows, immune to slashing attacks. So 2 handed hammers and 2 handed swords and lances were how plated knights fought each other.

Historically good plate was nearly inpenetrable 2h shords was unable to penetrate it. 2h axes too. Historically plate wearers get's proned on ground and slaugtered with piercing weapon thougth weakspots.
2h weapon was out of formation combatant weapon - totally useless on any tight infantry formation. 2hander was mostly used as last resort to close hole in defence or first strike siucide fighters.
Historically 2h was never used in saddle with 2hands cause you just fly away from you horse with high posibility break something important.

[GGuts]

It's incredibly difficult to hit anything with the longest 2 handed sword in the game, when on horse back. Mostly 1 handed swords have the same length as 2 handed in this game, it seems.

The polearm that can swing on the other hand is completely broken on horse back.

[Enigmatory]

GGuts původně napsal:

It's incredibly difficult to hit anything with the longest 2 handed sword in the game, when on horse back. Mostly 1 handed swords have the same length as 2 handed in this game, it seems.

The polearm that can swing on the other hand is completely broken on horse back.

Huh... yeah these oneshot polearm things really dread. 150 damage aganist full lammerlar warrior. Still they slow and useless in mass ground combat. Swing speed and handling of these weapons are terrible.

[nephilimnexus]

Arcanum Elite původně napsal:

actually... later on in the 2h tree there you gain the ability to block arrows with 2h

Your eyes can deceive you - don't trust them. Stretch out with your feelings.