[Spoiler] Reason behind the decision Nick/Pete

[Addysin]

Hey there, first of all spoiler warning, if you haven't finished 'The Walking Dead Season 2 Episode 1' then please don't read any further unless you don't mind spoilers.

So with that out of the way, I want to discuss why Nick is angry at you when you go to him and not to Pete.

Here are a couple facts that I considered while making the decision :

Neutral :

-both were fighting of walkers
-both had a similar gun
-both were yelling at you to come over to there location

Pete :

-Nick and Clementine saw him get his ankle bit
-he ran out of ammunition
-he was on the other side of the river
-he is old/Nick's uncle
-he was nice to Clementine from the start

Nick :

-he has ammunition left
-he was on the right side of the river (the way you came from)
-he is younger/Pete's nephew
-he is probably nice, but hot-headed

Clementine :

-has no weapon
-weak/little girl
-has a backpack and a bottle of water

Now the logical conclusion from my point of view was to run over to Nick because that's simply the best escape route and highest chance of survival. BUT in the following preview we see him making accusations towards us that we should have saved Pete instead. Now I ask you why does he think a little girl with no weapon would be able to help a grown man against a group of walkers ? It just seems unfair to me. I know Pete was nice to us and all, but it's about survival and he already got bit! It's not like we could give him the doubt that it was something else. So we know he turns!

The reason for chosing Pete, which I was surprised at the end screen the majority did, would be so people who support Clem stay alive. And indeed you are able to save Pete but you run off into the wrong direction further increasing your distance from the group, while Nick leaves both of you behind (to die ?). Following the narrow escape we see us in the same room in the preview we would be in with Nick otherwise, so I guess it's somewhere near the safe house, but still a grown man with a little girl in a room, when you know the man is likely to turn ?!

I want to know from you who you choose, and why, also why do you think that Nick accuses Clementine of letting Pete die ?

[Midnight Piper]

Those who choose Nick are nearly all those who view Clem as a weak little girl who needs protection, and those who see survival as a "easiest choice of the moment" tactic.

Those who picked Pete are largely those who had Lee protect those who protected him/clem (return his debts and build a strong community) - who see survival as a longer-term strategy - and who see Clem as a veteran of two years if intense survival and walker combat training. Small or not, she knows how to crush a skull and use her environment and walker disadvantages (slow and dumb) to her advantage.

Specifically...


Pete

You see a bloody ankle after he jumped back and he yelled his foot had been snagged, not him being bitten - do you return the same trust he gave you when he accepted that your dog bite wasn't a walker and took you home? Does Clem return the trust he showed her or act like the rest of those folks and write him off.

He saved Clem's life when she was in trouble and unable to protect herself. Does Clem return the debt? Related point, he's already proven that he'll put his life on the line to keep her safe.

He is competent.



Nick

Could cross the water but immediately chooses to abandon his uncle. Can Clem trust him to be there for her when he wouldn't even be there for his own uncle? He's absolutely NOT to be trusted to protect her if she needs it - he'll obviously bail on her if things get rough..

Incompetent, acts out of fear, as he did when he almost shot her. Even if he did stick around, his usefulness is highly questionable.

[ackwell]

Mithyk is dead wrong in most of his arguments, primarily his first one. I did not choose Nick because I figured Clem is "weak". I chose him because Pete is f*cked, he got bit, he doesn't have ammo left, he's surrounded by walkers. It's completely irrational to say that this was because I saw it as the easiest choice. It was the 100% most logical choice.


Pete:
You see a bloody ankle with a bite mark on it and a zombie crawling right next to him. Do you act like a complete idiot and think to yourself "oh that was probably a dog that bit him too" or do you face the fact that he got bit by that very same walker that is crawling less than a feet away from his leg? Did Clem come all this way to get stuck with an infected guy without ammunition about to get overwhelmed by zombies?

He was going to let Clem die in a shed when she very much needed help. Does Clem move past this, forgive him, and consider the facts of the present situation instead? Related point, he's already proven he will let Clem die to save his own life.

He is competent, and recognizes the line between being helpful and being stupid and irrational at the cost of his own life.



Nick:
Is on the right side of the river, closest to their cabin. Would make no sense for him to try to get over to the other side and get stuck in that small "island" in the middle of the river with a bunch of walkers on each side. Can Clem trust him? No. Can Clem trust anyone in the group? No, because they didn't trust her.

Has to either p*ss or get off the pot, now that he's all out of "safety nets" like Pete. Made mistakes in the past, but isn't bitten, has ammunition, knows how to aim and shoot when it's needed.

[MorningLightMountain]

Originally posted by Mithyk:

Those who choose Nick are nearly all those who view Clem as a weak little girl who needs protection, and those who see survival as a "easiest choice of the moment" tactic.

Those who picked Pete are largely those who had Lee protect those who protected him/clem (return his debts and build a strong community) - who see survival as a longer-term strategy - and who see Clem as a veteran of two years if intense survival and walker combat training. Small or not, she knows how to crush a skull and use her environment and walker disadvantages (slow and dumb) to her advantage.

I think you're generalising regarding the player base a little there.

[Midnight Piper]

A bit - which is why I used terms like "nearly" and "largely." Look at all the posts on the subject though - locate any that chose Nick that don't include some variation of the phrases "could protect her" or "weak girl" or "necessary survival choice" (to explain abandoning Pete). Not as much as you might think.

[Bullet Proof Ninja]

Let the time run out and see what happens you can pick on one :P

[IndigoHawk]

I chose Nick because Clem doesn't have a weapon, doesn't have ammo to help Pete, and can expect to do nothing except run over to Pete and be zombie chow. I didn't consider Pete's bite/scratch a deciding factor. Bit or not didn't matter, as that can be settled later. He can spend a night in the shed. :)

However, it looks like I was supposed to make the choice based on being loyal or selfish, so I didn't get what Telltale was going for. I'm thinking about replaying that decision because I feel like the game made assumptions about my intentions.

[Nobodlin]

I don't think Nick saw Pete getting bit, did he?

[123]

i picked pete because he wasnt an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to me and seems more mentally stable the nick, also if it is a bite ill just kill him and get a free gun that i may or maynot find ammo for were as if i picked nick i would be siding with an idiot that also shot me, that i also dislike, and will probably get nothing out of it but whining and a disloyal partner

[MorningLightMountain]

Originally posted by Adadad Baba:

i picked pete because he wasnt an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to me and seems more mentally stable the nick, also if it is a bite ill just kill him and get a free gun that i may or maynot find ammo for were as if i picked nick i would be siding with an idiot that also shot me, that i also dislike, and will probably get nothing out of it but whining and a disloyal partner

You may be given the option like with Lee but I highly doubt you'll be given the choice to randomly kill him due to us playing as an eleven year old.

[123]

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

You may be given the option like with Lee but I highly doubt you'll be given the choice to randomly kill him due to us playing as an eleven year old.

no i mean kill him if he turns into a zombie not just randomly kill him, if its not a bite id much rather have him as an ally

[MorningLightMountain]

Originally posted by Adadad Baba:

Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

You may be given the option like with Lee but I highly doubt you'll be given the choice to randomly kill him due to us playing as an eleven year old.

no i mean kill him if he turns into a zombie not just randomly kill him, if its not a bite id much rather have him as an ally

Well not strictly randomly I more meant we are unlikely to be given the opportunity to kill an unsuspecting Pete if it turns out he has been bitten. Mercy kill him or put him down if he turns and attacks Clementine.

[FysioTim]

I chose pete, looked like the more competent of the two. And yes, he was nice to Clem from the start by trusting her and so on. Would be nice to know what happens but we'll see it in episode 2 ;)

[AgeOfArmageddoส็็็็็]

At the time, it looked like Pete had been bit. I made my choice based on that info, even though it may have been incorrect.

Gotta be pragmatic, can't take chances with the guy who may have been bit - even if he is a "cool guy".

[Picklejho]

Originally posted by AgeOfArmageddoส็็็็็:

At the time, it looked like Pete had been bit. I made my choice based on that info, even though it may have been incorrect.

Gotta be pragmatic, can't take chances with the guy who may have been bit - even if he is a "cool guy".

-Clem upsets the group by potentially being bit, we hate them for that
-Leaves Pete for being supposedly bit

[You takin notes]

Originally posted by Mithyk:

Those who choose Nick are nearly all those who view Clem as a weak little girl who needs protection, and those who see survival as a "easiest choice of the moment" tactic.

Those who picked Pete are largely those who had Lee protect those who protected him/clem (return his debts and build a strong community) - who see survival as a longer-term strategy - and who see Clem as a veteran of two years if intense survival and walker combat training. Small or not, she knows how to crush a skull and use her environment and walker disadvantages (slow and dumb) to her advantage.

Specifically...


Pete

You see a bloody ankle after he jumped back and he yelled his foot had been snagged, not him being bitten - do you return the same trust he gave you when he accepted that your dog bite wasn't a walker and took you home? Does Clem return the trust he showed her or act like the rest of those folks and write him off.

He saved Clem's life when she was in trouble and unable to protect herself. Does Clem return the debt? Related point, he's already proven that he'll put his life on the line to keep her safe.

He is competent.



Nick

Could cross the water but immediately chooses to abandon his uncle. Can Clem trust him to be there for her when he wouldn't even be there for his own uncle? He's absolutely NOT to be trusted to protect her if she needs it - he'll obviously bail on her if things get rough..

Incompetent, acts out of fear, as he did when he almost shot her. Even if he did stick around, his usefulness is highly questionable.

Damn it now you make me regret my descision of choosing nick.