The Walking Dead: Season Two

The Walking Dead: Season Two

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Chunky Monkey Jun 11, 2014 @ 11:41pm
Why do people hate Ben, Sarah, Nick, etc
:WARNING Minor Spoilers from Season 1:

Characters who have flaws are just more interesting when they’re battling something internally. If they didn't have that flaw, without something holding them back, characters don’t have to struggle to achieve their goal -- which is boring. You get a character who's extremely bland like Superman who has no personality flaws (You may disagree with this).

I'll start with Lee before I go on to the rest. Lee is someone who has made many mistakes in his past, with his wife, family, etc. When he finds Clementine, he begins to see her as family, and then he sees that as an oppertunity to atone for his past.

Ben is clumsy cowardly fool and has a hard time doing something that is right, so at times, he tries really hard and usually it backfires on him. You see this especially after you save him on that bell tower and he goes with you to amend his mistakes for his past about Duck and Kenny's wife -- he finds his courage at least before he falls to his death off a balcony and into an alley. But his intentions was there to make an atonement with Lee.

Kenny is an irrational hot head. And Nick is a stubborn jackass who carries a lot of emotional baggage from his past. Because of these flaws, you can either relate to them, or witness these flaws through friends and family. In the real world nobody is flawless, and that's what makes this game interesting, because it reflects on that.

It's like what Oscar Wilde said, "The only difference between the saint and the sinner is that every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future."

I was just offering perspective on the matter if you complained a lot on these characters.
Last edited by Chunky Monkey; Jun 12, 2014 @ 12:08am
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You takin notes Jun 11, 2014 @ 11:43pm 
I don't know why people hate them either, I love all of them.
Talon Jun 12, 2014 @ 12:27am 
I don't know. I think its because they have persistant flaws that don't magically go away when the chips are down. Perhaps others think these survivors aren't particularly intelligent, strong, or wise; they make mistakes that some people claim 'endanger' others.

Nick and Ben make mistakes (esp. Nick) that get people killed and endanger the group and themselves because they are dim-witted to the lowest common denominator. Sarah hasn't gotten anyone killed through her actions or inactions but can't keep up with Clem so people hate her. They think its the fault of a sheltered girl that's been kept out of danger and can't recognize it in a variety of social situations like Clem could at a much younger age. I don't think its her fault Reggie died. That I lay at the cartoon villiany of Carver making an evil asshat of himself.

Sadly, these people are the weakest links in the chain. Nick because he was abused as a kid by his dead dad, had to shoot his mom after she extended the hand of kindness to a stranger (very recent?), losing Pete (in-story), being emotionally fragile and suffering some long-standing self-esteem issues from his now deceased uncle's unsympathetic brand of parenting. Maybe there are other reasons that 90 minutes and a quick one-liner about Luke coming to save the day doesn't allow us to know Nick or the others very well.

Ben was hated because he's a teenager thats out of his depth so much so that he is indirectly responsible for getting Kenny's entire family killed by bandits.

Sarah tends to be disliked because she's been sheltered and babied and kept indoors and sequestered likely since Day 1 of Zombie Apoc. (Yoda) This form of teaching does not a good survivor make, yes? She may have also lost her mother in some deeply traumatic way that caused some form of regressive trauma (on her or her father). She may simply have been forced to become more or less completely dependent on overcontrolling daddy and crew and is suffering the effects of total isolation from all her peers (those close to her own age). People still expect her to have learned all these magic skills Clem was taught by her guardians and experiences. Maybe these clueless haters expected her to gain all those wonderful skillsets by simple osmosis just because she's in a Zombie Apoc story.

I don't hate Ben - I pity him. Sarah is blameless; more a victim of her upbringing, environment, and isolation. The fact that she asked Clem for help proves that she isn't blind to her weakness and wants to learn how to correct it but up until Clem no-one was willing to teach her anything. She also hasn't been socially engaged in any meaningful way. By that I mean holding friendships with girls her own age or conversed with other groups of people which is necessary for social development. That is unless you are an introverted loner who doesn't need much human contact.

Nick is weak and needs more than the rest to man up but he's had a crutch in Luke and is emotionally damaged for those reasons given above. He actually is the only one I dislike since he directly killed people that were non-hostile friendlies (Matthew) but those idiots like Carlos and the others let him run off with a gun AFTER the zombies on the bridge were dealt with to shoot a lone man who had talked with Clem and Luke for long enough to give anyone a clue that maybe this guy wasn't going to shoot the scouts.
Last edited by Talon; Jun 12, 2014 @ 10:48am
Sero Jun 12, 2014 @ 7:02am 
They get you killed.
End of story.
Originally posted by Riot:
They get you killed.
End of story.

So what about Lee then? Who gets himself killed.
Sero Jun 12, 2014 @ 9:14am 
Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:
Originally posted by Riot:
They get you killed.
End of story.

So what about Lee then? Who gets himself killed.
Huh? I don't follow...
I never said that they are the only once that can get you killed.
Lees demise you can blame partially on himself, Clementine and the stranger. All three played a very decisive role in that.
samuricex Jun 12, 2014 @ 1:24pm 
I blame everything that happened at the beginning of chapter 3 on Ben, also he gets Carley killed, and he left Clementine to die, ♥♥♥♥ that guy. I dropped his sorry ass in the bell tower.

I've got nothing against Sarah. She's just sheltered.

I'm not completely sure how I feel about Nick yet.
GoldenBuffy Jun 12, 2014 @ 1:46pm 
Ben, I liked him at first. But when everything went down at the motel, and he never spoke up, getting Carly killed. I was MAD. I wish there had been an option to leave him on the side of the road with Lilly. They both deserved to be there.

Sarah, I have no problem with her. I've said it before, I blame her dad. I have the feeling that she was sheltered before the dead started walking the earth. Carlos seemed to always have babied her, and it got worse after the outbreak, maybe because she witnessed her mother turn or be eaten? I would love a more detailed backstory with Sarah. TTG, it would be nice to give us that. ;)

Nick, I'm still on the fence with him. When he and Clem were locked in the shed, and he was drinking the moonshine, I was ready to leave him as walker bait. But after the bridge and giving him that watch. I don't know. But if he makes it past episode four, and say he loses Luke, I think that will truly be his breaking point, and then it will be time to cut him lose. Maybe as some walker bait then.
Originally posted by Riot:
Originally posted by MorningLightMountain:

So what about Lee then? Who gets himself killed.
Huh? I don't follow...
I never said that they are the only once that can get you killed.
Lees demise you can blame partially on himself, Clementine and the stranger. All three played a very decisive role in that.

To an extent but the main person responsible for Lee getitng bitten is himself for failing to check the alley.
Chunky Monkey Jun 12, 2014 @ 10:03pm 
A lot of you missed the point. Because of those flaws that you see on those people you hate, the game itself becomes more interesting and finishing the game becomes a lot more enjoyable. If everyone was rational, strong, smart, people wouldn't be killing each other over resources.

The perspective is, how would you enjoy the good, if you haven't experience the bad? Compassion wouldn't exist if everyone wasn't suffering.
Scouten Jun 13, 2014 @ 12:09am 
Originally posted by ThirdFormula:
A lot of you missed the point. Because of those flaws that you see on those people you hate, the game itself becomes more interesting and finishing the game becomes a lot more enjoyable. If everyone was rational, strong, smart, people wouldn't be killing each other over resources.

The perspective is, how would you enjoy the good, if you haven't experience the bad? Compassion wouldn't exist if everyone wasn't suffering.


i just dont like sarah because of how predictable she is and where the story is going with her. I would be pleasently surprised if she just up and died without tapping into her cliche of a sheltered child. other than her i love the strengths and weaknesses of all the characters
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