The Case for Jane - Why I chose Jane over Kenny and so should you :

[Pherb]

Why I chose Jane over Kenny :

Jane is the most rational and has effective survival skills, thus being the best match for clementines partner. Overall, she acts as the voice of reason that understands when someone should detach from someone they are close to, to prevent further ramifications. She chooses reason over emotion, and I believe that is the dilemma players are faced with - choose Jane; someone who is rational, knows when to detach from terror, has shown to reason in group think, or Kenny; someone who you are emotionally invested in, but yet is insane, can't reason in group think, and terrorizes people with brute force and intimidation.

In this way, Jane is like someone who sees an abusive relationship and says you should break up with your boyfriend/girlfriend who is no longer the same as they were in the beginning. Its easy to stay loyal to someone who you're emotionally invested in, maybe even love, and even though detachment is harder, it can sometimes be the best option.

I admit, a lot of Kenny's ideas are aligned with what is reasonable, but how he goes about them is not. This shows that Kenny is obviously not an idiot, but it does show he is not just mentally unstable, but completely and utterly emotionally torn. I know I sided with Kenny about most of things, like going to Wellington, or his skepticism about Arvo (seemed like most of the group magically trusted him) but beating the snot out of him is far from mere skepticism.

I also admit that what Jane did was wrong to prove a point. With that exception though, we need to look at the larger picture than just the ♥♥♥♥ up incident - like how good Jane is in terms of survival, how rational her choices are and she goes about them, how caring she is about Clementine, etc. (kenny f*cks up all the time, but I just hear excuses for him, but when Jane f*cks up, everyone is like " BEHEAD HER, SHE DESERVES DEATH! " ) -sigh-

As mentioned before, Jane is also not only mentally equipped better, but also equipped better in terms of survival. Compared to Kenny, Kenny knows absolutely nothing (sorry). Kenny can't jump walls or long distances, do parkour off of buildings, or know nearly the amount of sneak tactics that Jane does.

So lets face it, Kenny is not going to get better. TellTale is not going to do a complete turn around and make him a perfect angel with a fairy tell ending where all his trauma and unstableness just 'disappears.' He is still going to cause havoc in groups, try to get what he wants through intimidation and force, explode over small things, etc. This is just the tip of the iceberg of reasons listed why he is not going to be a good father figure for AJ. No one wants a father figure that shows his kid how to get what he wants through brute force and having frustrated conniptions. And even though Jane is inexperienced with children, like everyone has agreed on about Clementine, she is a 'natural' meaning she can do just as well as Kenny, if not better, provided Jane is around.

Welp, those are my arguments and reasons =)

( also just a side note, for those that care about Lee's perspective, I don't think he would like the new Kenny. I can imagine him saying " Man, just chill the ♥♥♥♥ out would you! " and then further sequences of them getting into fights, like in season 1 with the train ride. I doubt Lee would be a fan of most of the ♥♥♥♥ Kenny did. )

[MissChibiGoddess TTV]

play the game once with kenny alive to wellinton your thoughts feeling could
be changed by kennys out comes, you find out more why and other things

[Pherb]

Originally posted by Miss-Chibi-Godd:

play the game once with kenny alive to wellinton your thoughts feeling could
be changed by kennys out comes, you find out more why and other things

I did, and all that did for me was entangle me with more emotions, but it didn't make me think differently. I absolutely love Kenny, I hated what Jane did, but when I look at the larger picture Jane wins. She has far more attributes that would help the crisis become better (as I listed above), and I know Kenny is a downward slope that ism't going to get better.

I think staying in Welington and leaving Kenny is also a good option - maybe better than being with Jane - but I really can't understand why people would stay alone with Kenny for any logical reason. I just think its fan loyalty and emotional investment.

[Mystix]

Jane provoked that fight with Kenny. Though I did try to stop them from fighting, in my playthrough Kenny killed Jane. The way I see it, she brought it upon herself, and she's proven herself to be unloyal, untrustworthy and quick to abandon others in need.

[Sardorim]

Originally posted by LoneWolfDon:

Jane provoked that fight with Kenny. Though I did try to stop them from fighting, in my playthrough Kenny killed Jane. The way I see it, she brought it upon herself, and she's proven herself to be unloyal, untrustworthy and quick to abandon others in need.

She put herself in that position to teach Clementine and show her how dangerous Kenny is. Everything she did was literally for Clementine's sake.

[Sardorim]

Originally posted by Anarkhos:

Originally posted by Miss-Chibi-Godd:

play the game once with kenny alive to wellinton your thoughts feeling could
be changed by kennys out comes, you find out more why and other things

I did, and all that did for me was entangle me with more emotions, but it didn't make me think differently. I absolutely love Kenny, I hated what Jane did, but when I look at the larger picture Jane wins. She has far more attributes that would help the crisis become better (as I listed above), and I know Kenny is a downward slope that ism't going to get better.

I think staying in Welington and leaving Kenny is also a good option - maybe better than being with Jane - but I really can't understand why people would stay alone with Kenny for any logical reason. I just think its fan loyalty and emotional investment.

That it is, if it was Jane in Season 1 to Season 2 than no one would ever pick Kenny. All Kenny has is notsalgia going for him to cause fans to overlook his many faults and bad decisions.

[Mystix]

Originally posted by Sardorim:

She put herself in that position to teach Clementine and show her how dangerous Kenny is. Everything she did was literally for Clementine's sake.

I don't see it that way. But hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion, right? Cheers! :)

[Pherb]

Originally posted by Sardorim:

Originally posted by Anarkhos:

I did, and all that did for me was entangle me with more emotions, but it didn't make me think differently. I absolutely love Kenny, I hated what Jane did, but when I look at the larger picture Jane wins. She has far more attributes that would help the crisis become better (as I listed above), and I know Kenny is a downward slope that ism't going to get better.

I think staying in Welington and leaving Kenny is also a good option - maybe better than being with Jane - but I really can't understand why people would stay alone with Kenny for any logical reason. I just think its fan loyalty and emotional investment.

That it is, if it was Jane in Season 1 to Season 2 than no one would ever pick Kenny. All Kenny has is notsalgia going for him to cause fans to overlook his many faults and bad decisions.

Exactly man, thanks for supporting my point with the strong words. In reference to Kenny and Jane, Kenny f*cks up all the time, but I just hear excuses for him, but when Jane f*cks up, everyone is like " BEHEAD HER, SHE DESERVES DEATH! " ) .. This is obviously fan loyalty and nostalgia like you said..

[Sardorim]

Originally posted by LoneWolfDon:

Originally posted by Sardorim:

She put herself in that position to teach Clementine and show her how dangerous Kenny is. Everything she did was literally for Clementine's sake.

I don't see it that way. But hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion, right? Cheers! :)

Doesn't matter how you see it, that's what she did because that's what's been established since she appeared. She wants Clementine to learn and not have to rely on anyone, if she wanted to kill Kenny off than she would have. Instead she wanted to prove her point to Clementine even though it put her life at risk because the experience would make Clementine more likely to survive.

[Purodiusa]

Major spoilers in this post. You've been warned.

Played through and was amazed I was among only 12% who also chose Jane.

Yes, Jane lied to Clementine and Kenny. The way I saw it, it's irrelevant that she lied. Assume she had been telling the truth, as Kenny believed when he attacked her: Kenny was prepared to murder her because she was watching Alvin Jr. when he (supposedly) died to walkers. She doesn't deserve to die for that. Kenny was awesome, when he showed up again this season I literally cried irl. However, Kenny hadn't changed much. If anything, his flaws were worse than season 1. He was a friend to Lee and Clementine since the beginning, but his tendency to have a short temper and cause strife within a group was a serious personality flaw. In season 2, this only becomes worse. Should he have died because of it? No, but he really didn't leave Clementine or Jane any choice but to defend themselves.

I would've loved if Kenny could have lived in my game and Jane, Clem and Kenny lived happily ever after, but as it was Kenny was just a ticking time bomb.

[Pherb]

Originally posted by Echo:

Played through and was amazed I was among only 12% who also chose Jane.

Same.. Really thought people would be.. smarter.

[Orge Lambart]

Kenny is and always has been about protecting his family, I hated him in Season 1 and Season 2, at the end of season 2 he earned redemption in my eyes and I realized everything he did was to protect the ones he loved.

Clem and the baby were his family, and thus he did what he needed to do to protect them. He would never hurt Clem, even when Clem cuts off Sarita's arm he doesn't act violently towards her, he just pushes her away. Later on he even tells her how sorry he is if what he said hurt her.

When they get to wellington he proves once again that he cares about the safety and well being of his family over anything else.

Jane was going to leave Sarah behind, if you save Sarah Jane eventually directly helps lead to Sarah's death by pulling Luke away from Guard duty.

She's super quick to abandon any and everyone when the chips are down, she abandoned the group, she robbed arvo and probably directly led to the Russians being so on edge when they attempted to rob the group. Who knows if they would have robbed them if Jane hadn't robbed Arvo earlier on.

Also Kenny and Clem have a ton of history together, Clem is almost like Kenny's family, and Kenny is her de facto father in alot of ways.

So the decision to kill Kenny wasn't easy in anyway. Neither character should have died in all honesty.

[Mystix]

Originally posted by Sardorim:

Doesn't matter how you see it...

Cool. So only your opinion, or opinions of people that agree with you, matters then?
Ok, here's a cookie @, you win the internets.
Have a nice day, Sir. Cheers! :)
PS: I still disagree with you. But hey, I have a mind of my own.

[Pherb]

Originally posted by LoneWolfDon:

Originally posted by Sardorim:

Doesn't matter how you see it...

Cool. So only your opinion, or opinions of people that agree with you, matters then?
Ok, here's a cookie @, you win the internets.
Have a nice day, Sir. Cheers! :)
PS: I still disagree with you. But hey, I have a mind of my own.

Hey Lone, I don't think he meant it the way you're taking it. I think he meant like " It doesn't matter how you see it, that doesn't change the facts. " Because this thread is a discussion on facts. Opinions are like: icecream is better than cake. Facts are like: 2+2=4. It doesn't matter how you see mathematics, its still true even if you perceive it differently. Just wanted to throw that out there.

[Furious Imbecile]

Originally posted by Anarkhos:

Why I chose Jane over Kenny :

Jane is the most rational and has effective survival skills

Because its truly rational to deliberately make an unstable guy insane and it really helps out in upping her chances to survive.

[{DGT} Cupcake]

Didn't even read that trash,if you chose Jane then you're dead to me.