B&T VP9 sound VS .22 suppressed Ruger MK-IV

[ajdrigs]

The VP9 should not be quieter than a .22 suppressed running subsonic .22, The balancing could use a do over.

[OwO]

yea

[NOD Flamer]

VP9 uses a different supressor type that makes it a lot more quiet.

[ajdrigs]

Originally posted by Azrakh The Annihilator:

VP9 uses a different supressor type that makes it a lot more quiet.

While I know the difference, realistically its not quieter than a .22 suppressed with subsonic, B&T VP9 is still around 129 to 130 db, with Ruger MKIVs getting around 100 db.

[Captain Jed]

Agreed. The niche of the VP9 is cool and all, but the Ruger should absolutely be more quiet.

[Stret]

1. game balance is more important than a small detail of realism
2. if a special pistol like the welrod can make a 9mm much quieter than usual, its not really unrealistic for a game to feature one that somehow managed to be slightly quieter

The ruger is already extremely, tremendously good with how fast you can dish out shots in total silence, it does not need to be buffed. And theres absolutely no universe in which the VP9 needs a nerf

[45]

Originally posted by ajdrigs:

The balancing could use a do over.

But you're talking about realism, not balance.

[Carny Tulip]

Originally posted by ajdrigs:

Originally posted by Azrakh The Annihilator:

VP9 uses a different supressor type that makes it a lot more quiet.

While I know the difference, realistically its not quieter than a .22 suppressed with subsonic, B&T VP9 is still around 129 to 130 db, with Ruger MKIVs getting around 100 db.

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from, but they're wrong. VP9 has a suppressor with wipes in it. When using subsonic 9mm, it will always be quieter than a traditional non-wipe suppressor.

[ajdrigs]

Originally posted by Carny Tulip:

Originally posted by ajdrigs:

While I know the difference, realistically its not quieter than a .22 suppressed with subsonic, B&T VP9 is still around 129 to 130 db, with Ruger MKIVs getting around 100 db.

I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers from, but they're wrong. VP9 has a suppressor with wipes in it. When using subsonic 9mm, it will always be quieter than a traditional non-wipe suppressor.

No they're not wrong, We're talking about 9mm vs .22, Yes a suppressor with wipes will quieter than a traditional non-wipe suppressor, However when comparing 9mm which has way more powder vs .22, the .22 even when using a non wipe suppressor will be quieter than a 9mm with wipes, because of the powder difference, I got the 130 db numbers from B&T them selves, and the 100 db .22 from a blog testing rugers with suppressors.

[cooki3]

i think for balancing reasons, would be really op to have a whisper quiet gun with full mags in this game.

[Carny Tulip]

You're probably right about the 22 being quieter in real life. I'd argue that having a suppressed semi 22 would be balanced by it being a weaker gun. You would need two or three shots for a stealth kill instead of just one.

I'm a bit skeptical on the 130dB figure, even if it's from B+T. SPL measurements are notoriously unreliable for a host of reasons. Environmental factors, placement and setup, and even measurement settings (C-weighted vs A-weighted, fast/slow response) can all affect the number.

Without knowing more about their setup, that number doesn't say much. There are plenty of videos on youtube showing the VP9 (now known as the Station Six), and it's quiet enough to shoot without any hearing protection. The impact of the bullet on the target is louder than the gunshot. 130dB is about the same volume as a jackhammer.

[Stret]

ok, i know you guys are gun fanboys, but consider this :
if the vp9 was arbitrarily made louder than the ruger, then why would you ever pick the vp9?

thinking a game should be changed because of realism, based off of stats you see on the internet, of a gun you never listened to in real life, without considering how awful the change would be in terms of balance. its just so crazy

[Carny Tulip]

Considering how realistic this game is trying to be with gun mods (for a top-down pseudo-arcade shooter) it’s not an unreasonable ask.

And there already isn’t a reason to pick VP9. Suppressed-no-booster 45 performs just as well for most cases, and the throwing knife is just as quiet and just as deadly.

[Stret]

Originally posted by Carny Tulip:

Considering how realistic this game is trying to be with gun mods (for a top-down pseudo-arcade shooter) it’s not an unreasonable ask.

And there already isn’t a reason to pick VP9. Suppressed-no-booster 45 performs just as well for most cases, and the throwing knife is just as quiet and just as deadly.

suppressed no booster .45 is way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way louder. if you think 40m of radius instead of 26m is "just as well", in which case i dont know what to tell you
Also it will make little/no difference in damage on True Difficulty most of the time, as the VP9 will still have a consistent two-shot against alerted enemies

meanwhile the knife, while super good, also only has a capacity of 1 and needs to be picked up all the time, and cant multikill, and you can have both at once, and..

If anything, the only element in the game that could possibly invalidate the VP9 is the ruger, and yet you are asking the ruger to be quieter despite it having way bigger firepower

if you want to get into the hyper details theres unrealism all around. Youre literally a single guy that can kill 40+ people relatively effortlessly and beat them to death. One of the protagonists can inhale some random drug that makes time get slowed down from his perspective. Its almost like the game was made with the intent to be fun and have some cool stuff that makes sense and matches reality instead of being an actual hyper-realistic experience

[Carny Tulip]

If you’re going pure stealth, you don’t need to kill anyone so VP9 is useless. If you’re going pure action, VP9 is also useless.

If you’re going for a hybrid approach, knife +
EMP gun + suppressed no booster is way more useful in every scenario.

[Stret]

you can still want to kill people with a silent pistol while still trying to go through the whole map without the overall enemies ever getting alerted, the vp9 is good for that. its arguably only outclassed by the full-auto ruger, but still quieter (and therefore it makes no sense for you to want to nerf the VP9 like that)

you seriously need to explain how suppressed no booster invalidates the vp9. you are getting far more noise (40% more radius, able to alert off-screen enemies) and still usually only two-shotting the enemies.
among my friends the consensus is that no-boost suppressors felt really outclassed unless its on the desert eagle, as theyre basically turning the gun into a louder VP9