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Could you.. not institute that rule?
This is odd. So how many decks are in the shoe to begin with? 6?
Revelatory. Thanks!
Card counting will be impossible at single deck since the cards are not shown, and the deck is shuffled every hand.
Card counting is definitely possible at a 6 deck table as described in the posts above.
People really ought to fact check their own posts.
It's not only possible, it's the preferred shoe size for certain counts.
War, Bacarrat, and all other card games do the same thing.
They also disappear your chip stacks when you sit in on a table - things like that are only viewable from outside the game. It's just those little things.
I attempted the JSTAT system but found it too confusing for a novice at counting, so I'm doing hi-lo. Seems to be working fine for me, as I don't have a wild betting strategy going anymore. It's really tightened up my median gain/loss.
I've had a couple good games where after a full shoe I had gained 5 to 10k, and I had one instance where I lost 10k in a shoe because it was at a + count and the dealer was the one getting the tens and aces.
Otherwise, it balances out and I usually end up with a 1 or 2k gain per shoe.
But then, I'm still hitting on 12 to 16 when I know that the deck is ten heavy.
I actually learned to play Blackjack with Digital Leisure's casino in Home. Prior to that, I had no real idea of BJ strategy. I spent many a day in the casino, referring to a chart I wrote out from a book, learning when to hit, stand, double down, etc.
It's just kinda hard to not hit because it's so ingrained in me to do it.
Also, how do you true the count? I can manage to count the deck while I count cards, but just barely (the alphabet, conveniently, is half a deck, so m5a third z (in my head) translates to a negative 5.5 count with a deck and a half gone. But when the third person sits down, it all flies out of my head. Even two people is difficult if they come in at the wrong time.
I use the Halves. Or Unbalanced Zen if I don't feel like going through all that.
I add and subtract as the cards are dealt.
Low cards (2-6) are "good", high cards (10-A) are "bad", I just go... one good, two good, one good, even, one bad, two bad... etc.
then at the end of the turn, I'll write down the total or add to/subtract from the previous total I had written.
once the written total goes to +1 I increase my bet to 1000. If it goes really high, I'll increase to 2000.
Only downside is that it sometimes makes me look anti-social because I keep my chit-chat to a minimum to keep my eye on the cards.
And although I should prob leave the table once it gets to -10 or less, I usually just finish the shoe out to get practice.
JSTAT was the first one I found when googling.
It uses a slightly different count. 2-9 are +1, 10-K are +2 and Aces aren't counted.
What you're doing will give you a general idea of whether there are more ace/10s in the deck, or more 2-6s, but if you try to use it to bet you'll wildly overestimate your advantage (or disadvantage).
The +/- part is what is called a 'running count'. You need to take your running count, and then DIVIDE IT BY THE NUMBER OF DECKS REMAINING. That will give you what's called a 'true count'. The general way of estimating remaining decks is to look at the discard tray, but since there's no graphical representation of discards other than a flat pile of cards on the table, the only way to get a true count here is to keep a running count AND SIMULTANEOUSLY count the total number of cards of all denominations.
For example, imagine you're playing a single deck game, and it's down to the last 26 cards. Removing 4 fives from those 26 cards is going to have an enormous effect on your advantage, and on optimum play.
Now, take the same 4 five-spots, but imagine that they're the first four cards dealt in a six-deck shoe. They won't really make much difference.
In the former case, your advantage will be about +4% vs the house, assuming the ruleset at 4Kings. In the latter case, your advantage will be -.34%. (if you want to know where I'm getting these exact numbers, I can explain, but they're pretty close to exact.) Without truing the count, in both cases you'd have a running count of +4, but if you increase your bet in the shoe game, you'll be running into a buzzsaw.
Truing the count is not easy at all. I would recommend you use an unbalanced count - they're designed so that they increase incrementally as the deck is dealt out, so a count of +2 with 6 decks remaining will be the same approximate advantage of a count of +2 with a single deck. There's no truing required. KO is the most popular system - the system I use, as I mentioned before, is Unbalanced Zen.
edit: thanks for the note about JSTAT - just fyi, counts like that are called non ace-reckoned, because they don't count the aces. Aces have an enormous effect on your advantage - but not on your play, so some people like ace-neutral counts if they're playing, say, Video Blackjack, since your play is the only thing that matters.
Hi-Lo is more accurate, despite being simpler, since the most important card in the deck is the 5, yet jstat has it as worth half of a ten. Also, 9s are good cards, and so belong in the negative category, and eights are almost universally counted as zero.
The Halves, which are CLOSE to the actual numbers (or close to double the numbers) counts like this, from deuce to ace: .5, 1, 1, 1.5, 1, .5, 0, -.5, -1, -1.
I'm thinking of writing a guide to blackjack for the Community guides - it'll go from Basic Strategy, with notes explaining some of the less heeded parts (why you never split tens, why you ALWAYS hit a soft 17), to content dependent strategy, which is slight variations in basic strategy according to the ways your hand total is made up - like, T-6 is handled differently than 8,7, or 6,6,4. Then it'll discuss board strategy, or basic strategy changes to make on the fly depending on the cards you see out in other players hands. Lastly I'll get into card counting. But it's going to take me a while.
After doing this several times on tables by myself, my written counts had lasted about the same length on the page. Although I don't make a change for even hands.
So I could probably make a good estimate on about when the shoe is half done. Especially if playing alone.
I'll have to incorporate that into my betting strategy.
I just made a gain of almost 20k, but I had to go through ten shoes to get it.
The first nine shoes would bounce back and forth from + to -, with a few shoes staying in - for forever. On those shoes, I fluctuated 1 or 2k up or down from what I started at.
The last shoe actually stayed in + for most of the game. I gained 18k in that one shoe.