Vampire Generation

[Morte-360]

I've always being curious what generation your character belongs to in bloodlines? I always presumed it was somewhere between 8-12, Does anyone know?

[MisterJB]

Originally posted by LEAM1983:

That *is* a handy explanation - but it assumes that the PC is Ventrue. What if I'm playing a Toreador, or any other clan, for that matter? Then we have to look elsewhere.

It's true some Antediluvians like Ennoia (Gangrel) couldn't care less about the facte of a city and wouldn't sire a childe while others simply couldn't like the Brujah Antediluvian who is traveling through time at this point and his childe is locked beneath Carthage.

But, as far as the Ventrue PC goes, I think it makes sense for him/her to be a 4th Generation.
Exceptionally powerful Neonate: Check
Factions at war: Check
Ventrue involvement (Lacroix): Check.
Uniting against a common enemy (the Kuei-Jin altough Lacroix ruined that): Check.

It fits the Ventrue Antediluvian's MO and one of the powers of Dominate is to implant memories in the minds of others so, he could have Dominated a Ventrue vampire into seducing the candidate for the Embrace and then replaced their memories so that, even if the Camarilla would check them, they would only see what the Antediluvian wanted them to see.
The reason the PC's blood keeps getting stronger through the game it's because his Metuselah powers are only beginning to awake.

[Anvos]

The ventrue antediluvian does make some sense, but that doesn't seem to answer the question of our PC's generation since wouldn't it be determined by the vampire they brainwashed into turning us?

[MisterJB]

The Ventrue Antediluvian could have selected a candidate for the Embrace, us, and then Dominated an higher generation Ventrue into seducing the PC and when they were in bed, he put them both into a Trance, Embraced the PC and then used Dominate 3: The Forgetful Mind to replace their memories with something he constructed so the Camarilla would not suspect his involvement even if they checked the minds of the "Sire and Neonate".

And that was how an Antediluvian, king amongst kings, who reigned Kindred and Kine before civilization, before time, before dreams Embraced his last Childe in an hotel room, surrounded by condoms with a stallion on them.

[Habits]

Your stats never go above 5, so you're no lower than an 8th gen. You can have Disciplines that go to 5 dots, so you're no higher than 13th gen.

[Anvos]

Originally posted by Habits:

Your stats never go above 5, so you're no lower than an 8th gen. You can have Disciplines that go to 5 dots, so you're no higher than 13th gen.

Its unsure how well we can take the stats and compare it to other versions of vtm.

[VikingWarrior]

Wait....second-generation would be those Embraved by Caine himself, wouldn't it? Even third generation is a bit of a stretch, since the third generation is the Antedeluvians, embraced by Caine, and whose return spells big trouble for everyone.
Fifth might work...that would mean that the PCs sire is a fourth-generation...which in and of itself should lend serious respect to the PC from the get-go.....and therefore, this isn't likely, either.

I'm thinking that 7th or 8th is more likely...

[Morte-360]

Originally posted by VikingWarrior:

Wait....second-generation would be those Embraved by Caine himself, wouldn't it? Even third generation is a bit of a stretch, since the third generation is the Antedeluvians, embraced by Caine, and whose return spells big trouble for everyone.
Fifth might work...that would mean that the PCs sire is a fourth-generation...which in and of itself should lend serious respect to the PC from the get-go.....and therefore, this isn't likely, either.

I'm thinking that 7th or 8th is more likely...

(Spoiler below)

I just remembered something, if your a Malk doesn't your char think that cab driver is Caine? Wasn't the guy actually named caine in the files, I don't know if that was disproved or just not important. But that could lend credence to Caine having an interest in increasing your powers, lowering your generation or even siring the PC.

Or it could be a side effect of the malkavian simply being utterly ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane.

[Nossie]

I always fantasised about the character being 5th or 6th generation.
Your sire was an ancient vampire that lived amongst the current city posing as a much weaker vampire. He became bored his existence and offered Cain a bargain.
If he gave up his "useful" life he would create a childe of Cain's chosing.
Cain agreed and chose you as the next target.

Cain obviously has an interest in your character because he makes himself open twice in the game. First he actually set up a meeting with you so he could chat, and two appears at the end of the game.

So your sire created you. Made it extremely obvious to the Camarilla. And he allowed himself to be easily captured and executed by the Prince. But actions were put into place to ensure the Anarchs would argue your death and the Prince would let you live.

The cities vampires assume that you are generation 11 at best. Little do they know that Caine chose you because you are a prodigy. You were born for this. You will start low, but you will rise quickly.

[Drezta]

Whatever your generation it must be lower than Theres's as you have an oppertunity to use dominate on her in conversation but it will always fail.

[Kalvix]

That could just be because you are quite weak at that point being newly sired, I don't know a huge amount on lore (just started reading it as part of playing it again) but it seems when first sired you're not as strong and you just get stronger with age. So it could be you are higher than Theres but its just to soon after being sired.

[Wesp5]

Isn't the generation connected to the number of blood points a vampire has? The player in Bloodlines has 10 blood points, so he should be 10th generation.

[Hillbilly_Dave]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Isn't the generation connected to the number of blood points a vampire has? The player in Bloodlines has 10 blood points, so he should be 10th generation.

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me though because that would mean that later generation vampires have more blood to work with which would mean they are more powerful. I mean, by that logic, Cain would only have one blood point and wouldn't even be able to use blood buff.

I don't know how much evidence there is for it but I always liked the theory that the player is a much lower number generation than everyone assumes. I think the OP mentioned the player being a Childe of Cain. I don't know if I'd go that far but I could easily see 4th or 5th gen.

[Wesp5]

Maybe I mixed this up somehow. But there is a connection between blood points and generation. Someone with more WoD knowledge please explain!

[Smiling "Lucky" Lynx]

I feel so utterly lost reading some of these comments. Are there novels involving this particular series? I've heard it was based off of a pen & paper game before but I have no clue as to how far it expands.

If there are novels; I might actually be inclined to read one. Seems like a well thought out universe.

[kthorazine]

Originally posted by Socrates:

I feel so utterly lost reading some of these comments. Are there novels involving this particular series? I've heard it was based off of a pen & paper game before but I have no clue as to how far it expands.

If there are novels; I might actually be inclined to read one. Seems like a well thought out universe.

It's based off of a very expansive PnP univiverse, there is a series of V:tM novels, but they are long out of print.

As for the generation of the character, I just prefer to accept that in the video game universe vampires power up way more quickly than the do in the PnP universe, because otherwise the character progression in the game would be impossibly slow and drawn out.