Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

Rennacius Feb 28, 2016 @ 5:38pm
How does this compare to Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption?
I played Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption back in the day and loved it. So I'm curious to how they stack up together.

Thanks.
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Touch of Oblivion Feb 28, 2016 @ 5:47pm 
They're completely different styles of game. VtMB is a linear story RPG instead of the Diablo-esque game that VtMR is.
This should be clear but I thought I'd point it out anyway... VTMR = Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption, VTMB = Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

VTMR and VTMB haven't got much in common other than the lore really (and how each clan's portrayed differs too because VTMB's set in the modern era). Both games were made by different devs and neither game references the other. I could go on a bit more but as you can see, VTMR and VTMB are indeed pretty different games.

Moving on --> VTMB is a FPS-RPG hybrid. Right away at the beginning of the game you can either take a test or directly choose which clan and gender you would like to play as (there are 7 altogether and some change the game more than others). From there you get access to a character sheet and are allotted a certain amount of points which you can put into whatever skills/abilities you want.

While VTMR was mostly linear, VTMB feels similar to Deus Ex in that you can travel between several large hubs completing quests. The game's quite replayable because there are a number of ways you can complete quests and sidequests and like I mentioned before, each clan offers a different way to play the game. Not to mention there's many choices you can make throughout the game but they don't really influence the number of available endings (you get to choose which ending you want at the end). So multiple endings is something both games share.

The writing and story is excellent (as much as I like VTMR it doesn't hold a candle to Bloodlines in my honest opinion). The music (one of VTMR's biggest flaws) and voice acting is also excellent. I can't get enough of the soundtrack and it really adds to the atmosphere. Gameplay is mostly fun although the melee combat's a bit clunky I guess. Speaking of, the very last section of the game becomes action-focused so do consider putting more points into action-related skills esp. if you were going for a stealthy sort of character. Depending on which ending you choose, you may get more enemy-killing or less.

Do note this game's still quite buggy in its vanilla Steam form so consider getting an Unofficial Patch. I recommend Wesp5's Unofficial Patch 9.4 but it's ultimately up to you. If you have any issues with the game don't hesitate to post on the "Still having problems? - POST HERE!!" thread that I regularly visit and post on, as the last thing I want is for someone to not be able to enjoy this awesome gem.
Rennacius Feb 28, 2016 @ 6:35pm 
-3xA'Lu©κy, I see that you love the game, that you love good writting, and now I love you. Thank you so much for your explanation. I'm a longtime Vampire fan, played the RPG with the book and all in the XX century. All these decades later, after yours and Gopher's explanations I'm definitely going to try this, with the patch. Thanks!
Last edited by Rennacius; Feb 28, 2016 @ 6:57pm
Originally posted by Rennacius:
-3xA'Lu©κy, I see that you love the game, that you love good writting, and now I love you. Thank you so much for your explanation. I'm a longtime Vampire fan, played the RPG with the book and all in the XX century, and all this decades later, after yours and Gopher's explanation I'm definitely going to try this, with the patch. Thanks!

Haha, you're very welcome.

I'd be lying if I said that this game wasn't one of my favourites and I'm glad that post gave you what you were after. Unfortunately I still don't know much about the WoD lore to this day but it's cool to meet someone who likes vampires in general and VTMR as well.

When you do get the game I recommend reading this guide for info. on the Unofficial Patch 9.4 and how to install it (refer to the "Installing the Unofficial Patch ... " section):
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=113161476

If you have any other questions or issues, let me know. All the best :)
Rennacius Feb 28, 2016 @ 6:59pm 
I see that there may be some issues. But the community is so engaged in solving them, it seems to me it's not really going to be a problem.

I may have to $ wait a while to buy it $, but I will check all this out when I finally play it.

I in turn recomend you The Witcher 1. Thank you very much!
Last edited by Rennacius; Feb 28, 2016 @ 7:01pm
Originally posted by Rennacius:
I see that there may be some issues. But the community is so engaged in solving them, it seems to me it's not really going to be a problem.

I may have to wait a while to buy it, but I will check all this out when I finally play it.

I in turn recomend you The Witcher 1. Thank you very much!

Great to hear.

A lot of the game's issues are solved by the Unofficial Patch. Most of the other issues mentioned in the guide are uncommon, caused by the user or a combination of the 2. You shouldn't run into any problems beyond the "less than 15mb" error (which almost everyone gets on a modern computer) and the Unofficial Patch takes care of that for you anyway. It might look terrifying, but the average user usually only gets the 15mb error and/or the Failed to find Steam error. There are worse old games on Steam in my opinion, with a lot more issues, so I'm sure you'll get this game running either with or without the community's help.

I've already got The Witcher 1 - fantastic game. Thanks for the recommendation regardless.


[EDIT]: Halloween and Christmas is usually the best time to buy this game as it always goes on sale on Steam at these times.
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Rennacius Feb 29, 2016 @ 6:02am 
I remember seeing Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines on discount, but the graphics alone disencoraged me, I didn't look no further than that. Superficial, I now, but also somewhat practical for the moment. Now I can't bloody wait to play it hahaha!

I simply loved Redemption and that medieval atmosphere, the story is actually what drives a game, regardless of the graphics. That's why even today we can play such games, altough a retexture wouldn't be all bad. Did not find anything on nexus, nevertheless.

At least Bloodlines is far superior to what I thought, and is not a direct sequel to the previous one.

Thanks!

EDIT: WOW, I found Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption at GOG! Gonna wait a discount on that too. https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_redemption
Last edited by Rennacius; Feb 29, 2016 @ 11:01am
Originally posted by Rennacius:
I remember seeing Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines on discount, but the graphics alone disencoraged me, I didn't look no further than that. Superficial, I now, but also somewhat practical for the moment. Now I can't bloody wait to play it hahaha!

I simply loved Redemption and that medieval atmosphere, the story is actually what drives a game, regardless of the graphics. That's why even today we can play such games, altough a retexture wouldn't be all bad. Did not find anything on nexus, nevertheless.

At least Bloodlines is far superior to what I thought, and is not a direct sequel to the previous one.

Thanks!

EDIT: WOW, I found Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption at GOG! Gonna wait a discount on that too. https://www.gog.com/game/vampire_the_masquerade_redemption

VTMR is on GOG and it's the best version of the game (I thought you knew about GOG already haha). I usually recommend people grabbing it and the Age of Redemption fan patch, which makes the game quite a bit better.

There is a certain appeal to the medieval atmosphere of VTMR (esp. if you're a medieval fan like myself!) but VTMB is definetly worth your time and it's a shame you gave up on it so quick. The majority of the playerbase seem to agree that VTMB is the superior game out of the two, so you should definetly look past the graphics if that's what bothers you. As for retexture mods: there are no good ones for VTMB and I generally hate retexture mods honestly. You can choose between ENB and SweetFX though (ENB has more problems with this game).
Last edited by -3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act; Feb 29, 2016 @ 1:30pm
Rennacius Feb 29, 2016 @ 2:26pm 
Oh no no, I meant that I had discarded Bloodlines based on graphics many months ago when I knew nothing about it, not right now. Now the flame has rekindled, as I already commented. And I will check the Age of Redemption patch. Boy, don't the fan base keep working on their beloved games!
Last edited by Rennacius; Feb 29, 2016 @ 2:26pm
Originally posted by Rennacius:
Oh no no, I meant that I had discarded Bloodlines based on graphics many months ago, not right now.

I'm aware of that. Maybe my phrasing sucks (which is a big flaw of mine).

Anyway, do check out AoR when you can and I hope you get VTMB soon :)
Rennacius Mar 5, 2016 @ 5:40am 
Bought Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption on GOG, 67% discount at US$ 1,99, I am enjoying it immensely along with the gorgeous Age of Redemption 2015.

EDIT: I need help with a bug. I have some kind of problem with my two save games: an autosave and the only save I created. When I load whichever of those, Wilhelm attacks me and drains my blood until I die. My save is when I am about to enter Mercurio's door, and the autosave is right after when I return to Prague and talk to the nun and go out with Wilhelm again. When I select him, he cannot be controlled whatsoever.

EDIT 2: Wilhelm killed Cristof by taking his blood. A guard most helpful aproached but was drained dry too like a chupacabra's bovine victim. Then, miraculously, Wilhelm's thirsty frenzy ended and I could control him again. I ressed Cristof at the catacombs of the University and roleplayed my ass out of that bug.

Emotions.
Last edited by Rennacius; Mar 5, 2016 @ 1:09pm
Originally posted by Rennacius:
Bought Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption on GOG, 67% discount at US$ 1,99, I am enjoying it immensely along with the gorgeous Age of Redemption 2015.

EDIT: I need help with a bug. I have some kind of problem with my two save games: an autosave and the only save I created. When I load whichever of those, Wilhelm attacks me and drains my blood until I die. My save is when I am about to enter Mercurio's door, and the autosave is right after when I return to Prague and talk to the nun and go out with Wilhelm again. When I select him, he cannot be controlled whatsoever.

EDIT 2: Wilhelm killed Cristof by taking his blood. A guard most helpful aproached but was drained dry too like a chupacabra's bovine victim. Then, miraculously, Wilhelm's thirsty frenzy ended and I could control him again. I ressed Cristof at the catacombs of the University and roleplayed my ass out of that bug.

Emotions.

Haha. Just reading that made me tense :)

Sounds like a random bug that wasn't/couldn't be fixed. I'm glad you managed to get passed it though.
Rennacius Mar 5, 2016 @ 5:10pm 
What about Vaclav? He seems to have a million health...
Rennacius Mar 31, 2016 @ 5:12pm 
I have just finished Vampire: The Masquerade – Redemption.

I liked the story, but it is poorly told, and even with the Age of Redemption mod the game is extremely problematic. Some bosses like the final one, Vukodlak, have too much health points, and when I put it to Easy it took some 15 min of me hitting him and me taking no damage from him. Kinda odd. Many cinematics seem rushed or missing, etc. In 95% of the dialogs the camera angle wouldn't let me see the characters faces, only up to their neck. The "Diablo" aspect has not enticed me at all.

In sum, this game has not aged well at all. I was feeling a strong urge to finish it to rid myself of its dynamics. I guess even back then, you had to have a certain age and a certain disposition to even play it for more than a few hours.

I am glad I've finished this so that I can finally move on to Bloodlines, which seems a totally different and better game. Redemption: never again, your time has passed.
Originally posted by Rennacius:
In 95% of the dialogs the camera angle wouldn't let me see the characters faces, only up to their neck.

I'm 99% sure this is related to higher resolutions. GOG has native widescreen support for 1920 x 1080 and I found myself having the same issue which turned out to be an immersion breaker.

I agree with most of the other points you've raised and it's a shame you didn't enjoy it as much as me, even if hold Bloodlines to be a lot better :) Anyway, you didn't have to push on but you did and congrats for finishing the game. I can't wait to hear what you have to say about Bloodlines!
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