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We can't and shouldn't be so categoric about the Grout mansion for the reason that everything is so vague and ambiguous.
Well on that note... Maybe if the Grout mansion story took place in the end of the game - we could've found out more details on this mystery. Considering how easily for example the Fu Syndicate, the Giovanni and their secrets were uncovered (especially if you sneak through the back of the mansion).
Or how at the end of the day we see for real who Lacroix really is through his hysteric mania for power.
Chances are there would at least be clues left. In the scenario that the Grout mansion would be the ending level (just imagine that) and all major plot climactic events unfolded there.
That theory also in light of the "potent blood" the protagonist has and litterly the ultimate test through fire and sword.
It's a cool thing kind of not to know tha answer about Grout but also maybe a missed opportunity.
On the other hand imagination is far more active for what we can't see in Ocean House hotel too and it worked in its favour as well. Perhaps same rule goes for the Grout story?
I think not knowing about Grout with any kind of certainty is a good thing. It's left open to interpretation pretty well, and I think LaCroix would want it no other way in case something goes wrong; no one could link him to it without some pretty substantial reaching.
On the chance that something goes unaccording to plan and Ming were to say something, not only would she implicate herself, but who would believe a Kuei-Jin? After all, there appears to be no witnesses or evidence to any of this (Grout's recordings possibly).
About LaCroix dominating the protagonist:
Strauss says something to the protagonist at the end of the game if you take a certain ending. While I can't remember what exactly, (iirc) he does say something about it being rare for one so young to become so powerful (though in that ending, one could argue that Strauss influenced that particular scene). On that note, it's possible that, by the end of the story, the protagonist has gained so many reasons to distrust the Prince (or anyone for that matter) and has gained so much confidence in himself, that overpowering the Prince's domination wasn't difficult. While expressing it that way makes it seem anti-climactic, it's certainly possible. (I think this has already been mentioned, I'm essentially agreeing. Also, I think it was what I was gonna end my previous post with.)
A funny thing... I never knew that the Prince would dominate you throughout the game until I read about it online a while back, and I had already beaten the game several times by then. I either played along as his lackey, or I pretended I was his lackey while working for Nines. I guess it always just made sense to me to play that way given that the Prince "spared my life," even if I was playing a character who knew better. I've never gotten around to playing as one who attempts to rebel against the Prince even though I think about doing so every time I want to play the game now. Maybe next time...
Random stuff:
To this day, the Ocean House still gives me the creeps (even just thinking about it), and I've been there maybe a dozen or more times now. I love it; it's one of the scariest things in any video game or movie for me, and yet I know what happens. That place is absolute brilliance. The sewers and the warrens are pretty creepy as well, but no where near the Ocean House. The Ocean House, especially, allows the player's imagination to run wild with what one might expect to see but never comes. And it's that, right there, that makes it so grand.
8th gen accounts for everything without any epileptic tress of speculation. He is the only one to try this, you can boost your stats up to 5 and you have a very big blood pool for a starting vamp. All accounted for.
This will probably be explained in the Prelude to Bloodlines :)! [/quote]
Necroing this thread to ask:
WHAT PRELUDE?
:O :O
The simple explanation is the most plainly divine!
The simple explanation is the most plainly divine! [/quote]
Necroing this thread to ask:
WHAT PRELUDE?
:O :O [/quote]
Lol. All this simply because I asked what generation the player character was. That aside though, I am super hyped for the new bloodlines coming out, though I certainly hope a third person toggle will be implemented, for those who want to play first and those who don't, fingers crossed!
There is something else to take into account though, Andrei mentions that our blood smells more potent during the final confrontation with him. There is also an unused generation mechanic in the game files that kinda implies that it was planed for one to be able to change their generation. A solution that has been brought up before is that Caine gradually lowers our generation while also being the reason why we get so much xp during such a relatively short amount of time: Caine is playing a game, we are the pawn but we needed to be a powerful piece and so we were made to be powerful so long as we tried for it. (All the chess emails, our cab driver, the end scenes where both Caine and Jack watch Lacroix burn, the thin blooded oracle talking about smiling Jack, "Why is he smiling? Is it the father behind him?" and Jack sets up the sarcophagus and E mentions the oracle saying a Jack in the box coming out when you save Lily...)
From a lore stand point the player does way too many incredible things for a month old (guessing from how often one needs to feed Heather blood and the frequency one can get paid from Venus) Kindred: kill a powerful (at least) 7th gen Nagloper who knows Vicissitude 6 and is specced for combat as well as a Kuei-jin Ancestor who knows Demon Shintai and (perhaps on a lesser note as I don't know Andrei's rank, the wiki has him be an Archbishop but I take that with a grain of salt) a powerful Tzimisce that knows at least rank 5 Vicissitude (Zulo Shape) and likely also a Kuldon Sorcerer given the barrier of fire at King's Way along with a small army of Sabbat. For a fledgling/Neonate to do all of that at the end on top of everything else is... Yeah. And this assumes you ran from the werewolf instead of killing it which is also possible.
So, your generation is what Caine wishes it to be because you are touched by the hand of Caine.
Good summary :)!
Unless ofcourse you are talking about us being directed to do difficult tasks to gain experience fast and take a crash-course on being a strong vamp through hard work rather than age
Also the Malkavian protagonist straight up calls the cabbie "The Dark Father" and starts screaming in fear upon realizing this.
I think, circa this era of meta plot (Oct 2004), Caine is in a cave somewhere in Turkey but his spirit is roaming about possessing people and doing things, so the cab driver may just be some poor guy being possessed. Take that with a grain of salt as, well, it is meta plot from 2004 and the time of Judgement (Gehenna and other end of the world stuff) happened soon afterward iirc all of which muddies the waters.
This is described in the horrible Gehenna novel, but as this isn't canon anymore, we can all now guess what Caine was doing at the time :)!