[Lore] Which side is Caine really on? Camarilla or Anarchs?

[Ēarendel]

I get the impression he favours the Anarchs for the player to go with. Why is that?

[Vepar]

He doesn't have anything nice to say for any faction, i think he largely favors the loner path, not Anarchs.

[Yoinkyz]

caines an interesting fello

[Ēarendel]

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He doesn't have anything nice to say for any faction, i think he largely favors the loner path, not Anarchs.

That may very well be true. However he still seems to guide Jack in his schemes. One would think he would do a hands off approach, but then again, according to vampires, Caine hates Antediluvians whom are pupeteers of the Camarilla.

[Vepar]

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He doesn't have anything nice to say for any faction, i think he largely favors the loner path, not Anarchs.

That may very well be true. However he still seems to guide Jack in his schemes. One would think he would do a hands off approach, but then again, according to vampires, Caine hates Antediluvians whom are pupeteers of the Camarilla.

Maybe it's ironic then. Caine hates Antediluvians for being pupeteers, yet he does exactly that, scheme and manipulate to get what he wants. Besides, he didn't really do anything to any antediluvian, he just basically helped Jack dethrone LaCroix. As for what purpose, i don't think even Jack knows, he only jumped at the opportunity.

Also, i mean, the ending is really up to the player. There's chance nothing will happen to the Camarilla except a new Prince, or you can put Kuei Jin in power (and suffer for it).

It's probably one of those "it's a game" story logics...

But there is a canonical ending though, right? I just forget which choice is "canon".

[Wesp5]

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It's probably one of those "it's a game" story logics...

In my opinion this was all a kind of test to him. Like would his childer work together or against each other. Like are they worth saving in Gehenna or not. Dethroning LaCroix was only a side effect that benefited Jack ;)!

But there is a canonical ending though, right? I just forget which choice is "canon".

I think it was either Anarch or Lone Wolf, but I don't remember good exactly...

[Vepar]

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It's probably one of those "it's a game" story logics...

In my opinion this was all a kind of test to him. Like would his childer work together or against each other. Like are they worth saving in Gehenna or not. Dethroning LaCroix was only a side effect that benefited Jack ;)!

But there is a canonical ending though, right? I just forget which choice is "canon".

I think it was either Anarch or Lone Wolf, but I don't remember good exactly...

That makes sense, yeah. I mean after all, everyone did think there was an Antediluvian in there. Yet they tore each other apart because of it, not work together. Caine was probably not pleased lol.

[Tyler Durden]

His own.

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

As Tyler Durden pointed out, Caine plays his own side. Or rather, all the clans play for him. It's mentioned briefly a few times, but ultimately Caine has some degree of control over everyone infected with his "Gift". To what extremes, I don't know.

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

The only Clans that you could argue possibly aren't played by him are the Tremere and Gargoyles since their creation doesn't really have anything to do with him. But at the end of the day it's ultimately still his infection pumping through them, even if it is altered.

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

The end goal for Caine is ultimately Gehenna. That would basically be a Factory reset for Vampires. That's when the oldest Vampires raise from their graves and devour their children. Everything he does in between that can be chalked up to him being bored/Disappointed or steps to ease the final nights along. If all the major clans are in a civil-war like turmoil and constantly fighting, there wont be anything to stop him. Gehenna was suppose to be a major plot behind VTM:B 2, but who knows if that's still a thing or if they changed the plot. When they dropped that awhile back the backlash was extreme and swift and they pulled everything and went radio-silent.

[Zef]

none, he's dissapointed in most of them