How Much Humanity Gain Is There Total?

[Second Batch]

and some Final Nights mod questions.

I've beat the game before, but it's been a while. Right now, I'm playing Final Nights and it's brutal on feeding/thirst and Humanity. I love it. However, I started as a Baali with max Humanity six, and a few bad botched feedings later, I'm still in Santa Monica with Humanity 2, frenzying, 1 Masquerade breech, and have to really use the sewers for rat blood, to avoid a hunter, and to not murder cops. I brought it on myself, but I'm just wondering:

1) Across the whole game, about how much humanity gain is there from quests and events? Anyone ever counted? I don't remember it being a lot when I played through. I'm thinking 10 or less.

2) (((EDIT: Ignore. I found online a once-per-club-ever dancing for humanity limit; it says it takes 5 minutes. Unless that's false for Final Nights, ignore this question.))) My Baali clan says I can't gain humanity from dancing. I didn't remember that even being a thing, I thought dancing was just an emoji/flavor type thing. So I assume dancing for Humanity is a new part of Final Nights. How does it work? I don't even get the dance button when I'm next to the freaks in the club. Baali don't dance, or it's a key I'm not remembering, but I thought it was just "use."

3) I know I can buy Humanity for 2 xp, but if there's enough free out there, I don't want to♥♥♥♥♥♥XP away on that. Was buying up Humanity for XP a possibility in the base game? I never bought any on my earlier tries at the game. I can't recall.

4) (((EDIT: Ignore. Answered as per above))) If they did add "dance for Humanity" to Final Nights alone, is it just that easy? Can everyone just dance up to 10? Or is it like a +1 Humanity for dancing once per city per game kind of thing? If you can just dance for Humanity unlimitedly, then Baali are mega-hosed in Final Nights.

5) If Toreador were allowed in Final Nights, their clan flaw would finally be significant. I'd be dead by now with just a few bad feedings. More of a comment really.

6) Unrelated, but when I frenzy it says my 3 stats are +5. Isn't that a compensation for the Gangrel flaw? Or are Gangrel +10 total, which I find hard to believe?

7) Unrelated, but isn't the brujah flaw just worse than the Gangrel flaw? Though as I type this I'm now remembering Brujah got some melee bonus, so maybe not.

8) You should save Masquerade gains, like the werewolf blood, for when you've got 1 or more masquerade damage, right? Otherwise you gain nothing since you're already at five, right?

[Vepar]

I don't know anything about Final Nights, but dancing for humanity was i think always there. You need to dance for 5 minutes for 1 point of humanity, once per club, can't repeat it. Or maybe wesp5 added that, theese days it's hard to discern what's been originally there or what wesp5 added cause i only play the unofficial plus patch.

[Second Batch]

Yes, I just found the once per club rule for 5 minutes of dancing. I'll edit that question out.

[acornco]

so yeah one per club... then... spoiler alert...

theres one for the starting bum

one for merc

you can convince gimble to visit vandal and it WONT cost you a point to complete vandals quest... so thats sort of one. i think wesp added that. pretty cool. pers check 6+ though.

note that you can't complete vandals post released lily persuasion check if you free lily with more than 6 hum.

2 points from lily

one point from the janus sisters

and thats just sm...

i know there is one downtown at the skyline on the top floor.

then in holly wood

vv's quests i think... havnt done those in a while

the serial killer will give you one as well.

beyond that im not sure.

[𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃]

Humanity gain scenarios
1. Offering money to bum when you encounter him as you leave your santa monica haven for the first time
2. Convincing Therese and Jeanette not to kill each other and to work together ( plus patch humanity gain )
3. Being nice to lilly as you rescue her from the blood blank and not asking her for money as a form of recompense and also returning back her purse and belongings after she has been reunited with E but that humanity gain is only possible via plus patch
4. Saving Heather in the Santa Monica Clinic
5. Giving Mercurio Pain Killers
6. Not telling Hannah the hooker about Paul the ghoul being dead during the plague for the angels questline
7. Not killing the thin blood julius during the b rated writer quest for V V
8. Being sympathetic to the serial killer and warning him that his actions will get the attention of the sheriff
9. By convincing the old assassin's in china town to not kill each other
10. By warning wong ho about ming xao and her plan of eliminating him and his daughter kiki ( plus patch humanity gain )
11. By rescuing the professor from the vampire hunters and escaping with him on the boat during the Society of Leopold questline
12. By dancing at the clubs but you can only gain humanity once per club

[acornco]

Originally posted by 𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃:

Humanity gain scenarios
1. Offering money to bum when you encounter him as you leave your santa monica haven for the first time
2. Convincing Therese and Jeanette not to kill each other and to work together ( plus patch humanity gain )
3. Being nice to lilly as you rescue her from the blood blank and not asking her for money as a form of recompense and also returning back her purse and belongings after she has been reunited with E but that humanity gain is only possible via plus patch
4. Saving Heather in the Santa Monica Clinic
5. Giving Mercurio Pain Killers
6. Not telling Hannah the hooker about Paul the ghoul being dead during the plague for the angels questline
7. Not killing the thin blood julius during the b rated writer quest for V V
8. Being sympathetic to the serial killer and warning him that his actions will get the attention of the sheriff
9. By convincing the old assassin's in china town to not kill each other
10. By warning wong ho about ming xao and her plan of eliminating him and his daughter kiki ( plus patch humanity gain )
11. By rescuing the professor from the vampire hunters and escaping with him on the boat during the Society of Leopold questline
12. By dancing at the clubs but you can only gain humanity once per club

ohhh yeah... man that looks complete. is that really all there is?

[𝑀𝓊𝑔𝑒𝓃]

Yup that's pretty much it from what I can recall anyways :P

Edit: the final nights still has some enemy balancing issues so you are in for a rough time especially from the clan you chose , personal suggestion try the salubri , excellent discipline combination

Brujah are very hot headed compared to the gangrel who are just solitary so that -2 frenzy penalty is justified but it is the gangrel who gain more from frenzy atleast stats wise

[yomegonightcore]

pretty sure he patched dancing for humanity out which is a good decision imo. way too easy to get humanity vanilla that way. he has some videos on youtube that explain all his 1.5 changes btw

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by Vepar:

IOr maybe wesp5 added that, theese days it's hard to discern what's been originally there or what wesp5 added cause i only play the unofficial plus patch.

No, dancing for Humanity was already in the original game and I didn't change it besides making it work on the dancefloors where it was broken.

[Vepar]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Originally posted by Vepar:

IOr maybe wesp5 added that, theese days it's hard to discern what's been originally there or what wesp5 added cause i only play the unofficial plus patch.

No, dancing for Humanity was already in the original game and I didn't change it besides making it work on the dancefloors where it was broken.

Ah, cool. :)
As i said, i only play the plus patch, and i discovered dancing really late lol, so i wasn't sure if that was plus only or if it was there. Thanks for the clarification!

[Second Batch]

Not really related, but in case you feel like answering it, why does Daimonion 1, Blood of the Sinner, require activation? Can't it just be passive? Was that done in the spirit of activating abilities makes the game more interactive, or perhaps just to get the animation on the screen? I know the mod is done, so it doesn't matter, but the animation could happen when I'm munching on a ♥♥♥♥♥ or bum. I'm just bad at keyboards, and since it costs no blood, it would be cool if it didn't take up a slot on my mousewheel. Regardless, thanks for the work you put in.