Did anyone EVER help Therese on their first playthrough?

[Skeletorso]

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It can't just be me, as I know Jeanette can be annoying, but Therese honestly just feels like the villain in this. SHE is the one who keeps treating you like crap. Jeanette plays with you and ropes you into♥♥♥♥♥♥but at least she never tried to have you killed. They are both equally crazy, but I am genuinely curious:
Did anyone here actually hate Jeanette enough to side with Therese on their first playthrough?

I didn't because I was a malk and my character had an affinity to her. But for anyone who did, what were your reasons?

[l'homme rouge]

i forced to side with therese on my first playthrough. i didnt know they were same people and when times come to choose it always ended therese killed jeanette even i tried all dialouge options. i dont know why this happened but next time i will play with guide for sure xd

[=(eG)=™Cthulhu]

Honestly I have always made them live with each other. It means Jeanette gets to live and might be considered a punishment for Therese.

And besides, Malkavians in power means fun times all around.

[Wesp5]

In the original game chances were always highter that Therese survives, but I leveled the odds a bit in the plus Unofficial Patch.

[sirericbreheny]

I agree but in the game, you find a picture in the old Hotel of the family, Therese, the Father whom is a vampire himself, the Mother and a Son, not a twin daughter that should be Jeanette....I often wonder what happened to the son, there is a toy with a bell on it that moves to you in the childrens's room which is obviously where Therese and the boy lived. I think that Therese drew that picture or the boy might have. The Father killed his wife after she lost her locket pendant that I believe nutty Jeanette stole and hid since her father had an incestious relationship with her. I think Jeanette murdered the boy since he was heir to the family fortune; I wonder if the father first made Jeanette into a vampire then was going to sire the boy but Therese shot him before he could.

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by sirericbreheny:

I agree but in the game, you find a picture in the old Hotel of the family, Therese, the Father whom is a vampire himself, the Mother and a Son, not a twin daughter that should be Jeanette....

Sorry, but that is a completely different family!

[Rithm Fluffderg]

I accidentally ended up siding with Therese the first time, because I helped her more and my diplomatic resolutions ended with her taking hold.

To be frank, both Therese and Jeanette are a dangerous individual. However, Therese is more... up front with you. I don't like her as much, but she draws the line and you know where it is. Jeanette is just as likely to tear your throat out for not crossing the line as she would for crossing it. She's also a lot pettier, and doesn't think her actions out - Therese, on the other hand, is a lot more cautious.

That being said, Therese without Jeanette and Jeanette without Therese are literally just half a person, and killing the other personality is like killing half of her. When I can, I prefer to get them to get along.

I feel bad for them, but not so bad that I don't remember they're a dangerous Malkavian.

[sirericbreheny]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Originally posted by sirericbreheny:

I agree but in the game, you find a picture in the old Hotel of the family, Therese, the Father whom is a vampire himself, the Mother and a Son, not a twin daughter that should be Jeanette....

Sorry, but that is a completely different family!

Perhaps but I disagree, there are too many similiarities between that family and the twin sisters that are supposed to be twins.....yet are the same woman that is Therese. Therese because of both being made sired and because she more than likely because of the incest became 2 twins in the same woman. Jeanette is the slutty bipolar creation of Therese that protects what sanity she has, she even forgets that she had a brother, ironically the newspapers in the house says that there was a child's head found in a washing machine as other parts apparently were found in different places. The ghost of the Wife remained so she could get release yet tell the sad story to those brave enough to enter the house.

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by sirericbreheny:

Jeanette is the slutty bipolar creation of Therese that protects what sanity she has, she even forgets that she had a brother, ironically the newspapers in the house says that there was a child's head found in a washing machine as other parts apparently were found in different places.

While I agree on the first part of your sentence, the newspaper wrote that both children were found dead, so how could Therese still be one of them?

[Skeletorso]

Originally posted by HeroicSkaldZach:

I accidentally ended up siding with Therese the first time, because I helped her more and my diplomatic resolutions ended with her taking hold.

To be frank, both Therese and Jeanette are a dangerous individual. However, Therese is more... up front with you. I don't like her as much, but she draws the line and you know where it is. Jeanette is just as likely to tear your throat out for not crossing the line as she would for crossing it. She's also a lot pettier, and doesn't think her actions out - Therese, on the other hand, is a lot more cautious.

That being said, Therese without Jeanette and Jeanette without Therese are literally just half a person, and killing the other personality is like killing half of her. When I can, I prefer to get them to get along.

I feel bad for them, but not so bad that I don't remember they're a dangerous Malkavian.

I think it's more that Jeanette and Therese are two split parts of one personality, liberal and sexual, and then strict and uptight.

I don't think Therese is anwhere near more sane or predictable than Jeanette. She doesn't care about the truth and Jeanette isn't too far off when she says Therese destroys anything she can't control.
She doesn't care if you were mislead by Jeanette or even that you didn't give Jeanette the pendant and book so she can actually get what she wanted from you. She doesn't care about the truth, she only cares that you disobeyed her by breaking a rule you didn't even know she had.
Therese thinks things through more than Jeanette, but she is also considerably more childish. Give Jeanette some credit, Jeanette actually knows how and tries to deal with problems rather than just throwing someone else at it or killing someone.

Jeanette has some degree of empathy and no matter how you treated her she tries to make amends by warning you of the gang attack even if it is too late.
I tried playing into Therese's hand on my most recent Nosferatu and it feels incredibly difficult to get on her good side. This isn't a case of odd dialog choices like with the Tremere regent, Therese is just kinda a ♥♥♥♥♥. Maybe she just doesn't like Nosferatu.
She's not just power hungry or has drive to succeed, she's outright psychopathic even beyond vampire standards.

Also when you meet Tung you find he wasn't really out for power in the first place, and doesn't even want to get in Therese's way and be the leader of Los Angeles. But... Therese being Therese doesn't care about the truth or motives, she just cares that someone was in her way.
She wouldn't see the humbling factor in that someone who was just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with her got to her that bad, she would just lash out further.

[Rithm Fluffderg]

Let me rephrase that:

When it comes to Therese, my first playthrough, it's not that I liked her more - it's that I was more scared of pissing her off by disobeying her and breakin her rules.

But with Jeanette, it's very difficult to know where I stand in the first place.

Therese does destroy everything she can't control... so that was why I chose to play into her hands.

It wasn't really that difficult though - it's the same as doing a "Good" playthrough in most other games where being good means taking the less fun, but usually safer path that doesn't get you in trouble with authorities. Only, you know, minus the morality.

[Taffey]

I actually did help Therese in my first run. I kinda like her more than Jeanette.

[Aeon Naranek]

When i chase for Lone Wolf ending or simply play Malk, me save both. When i chase for Anarch ending, me save Jeanette. When i am holding hopes for Cammis, me save Therese. Simple :)

But my first time, Therese were saved, without me understanding what happened.

[sirericbreheny]

Originally posted by =(eG)=™Cthulhu:

Honestly I have always made them live with each other. It means Jeanette gets to live and might be considered a punishment for Therese.

And besides, Malkavians in power means fun times all around.

It is sad about Jeanette's tale, I got to save her and forced her to take the gun while shooting Therese, I had to uninstall the 9.9 patch since it did not work on my computer PC. Without the Patch I did not have enough Experience Points to dominate Therese into working with Jeanette so that both could manage the Asylum properly and it fell Jeanette to shoot Therese. Therese double-crossed me twice with her goones at the diner then calling the cops whom barricaded the diner....that was the last straw! However that being said, I liked both Therese and Jeanette equally as well. Therese from the first time I met her as MC (My Main Character) she had a personnality disorder of being jealious of Jeanette's sensuality. When Jeanette took Therese's role of sleeping with "Daddy" one time, Therese flipped out.

The whole quest of Therese VS Jeanette is quite sad with the Ocean House Hotel added in but the Wife of Ed Sr forces Jeanette to deal with the Therese Personnality finally very effectively when Therese tries to have me "Deckland" and Jeanette killed. I would have normally loved to work with both Therese and Jeanette but the game forced me to get Therese killed and have Jeanette become the dominant Personna, ending the Malkavian Insanity once and for all as Jeanette shoots the Therese Girl in the painting.

In this outcome Therese lives in Jeanette's mind when she has to accept full responsibility and standup to the plate becomming a business woman, she still wants me to visit her which my character is more than willing to do. Do I love Jeanette, yes sure I do, even would marry her and rule Santa Monica with her.....atleast her region. It is my opinion that Therese died in childbirth since we all know that Malkavian Vampires function with little angels or devils on their shoulders then Therese is Jeanette's saftey valve.

Finally tonight I got enough Persuasion, Intimidation and Seduction points to get the whole dialogue, I nicely got the 2 sisters Jeanette and Therese to work together finally getting them to settle their feud friendly, Jeanette will play and seduce those she needs to but Therese will handle the business as both women share the business nomially.

[sirericbreheny]

Originally posted by Skeletorso:

Originally posted by HeroicSkaldZach:

I accidentally ended up siding with Therese the first time, because I helped her more and my diplomatic resolutions ended with her taking hold.

To be frank, both Therese and Jeanette are a dangerous individual. However, Therese is more... up front with you. I don't like her as much, but she draws the line and you know where it is. Jeanette is just as likely to tear your throat out for not crossing the line as she would for crossing it. She's also a lot pettier, and doesn't think her actions out - Therese, on the other hand, is a lot more cautious.

That being said, Therese without Jeanette and Jeanette without Therese are literally just half a person, and killing the other personality is like killing half of her. When I can, I prefer to get them to get along.

I feel bad for them, but not so bad that I don't remember they're a dangerous Malkavian.

I think it's more that Jeanette and Therese are two split parts of one personality, liberal and sexual, and then strict and uptight.

I don't think Therese is anwhere near more sane or predictable than Jeanette. She doesn't care about the truth and Jeanette isn't too far off when she says Therese destroys anything she can't control.
She doesn't care if you were mislead by Jeanette or even that you didn't give Jeanette the pendant and book so she can actually get what she wanted from you. She doesn't care about the truth, she only cares that you disobeyed her by breaking a rule you didn't even know she had.
Therese thinks things through more than Jeanette, but she is also considerably more childish. Give Jeanette some credit, Jeanette actually knows how and tries to deal with problems rather than just throwing someone else at it or killing someone.

Jeanette has some degree of empathy and no matter how you treated her she tries to make amends by warning you of the gang attack even if it is too late.
I tried playing into Therese's hand on my most recent Nosferatu and it feels incredibly difficult to get on her good side. This isn't a case of odd dialog choices like with the Tremere regent, Therese is just kinda a ♥♥♥♥♥. Maybe she just doesn't like Nosferatu.
She's not just power hungry or has drive to succeed, she's outright psychopathic even beyond vampire standards.

Also when you meet Tung you find he wasn't really out for power in the first place, and doesn't even want to get in Therese's way and be the leader of Los Angeles. But... Therese being Therese doesn't care about the truth or motives, she just cares that someone was in her way.
She wouldn't see the humbling factor in that someone who was just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ with her got to her that bad, she would just lash out further.

I agree Skeletorso, while Therese thinks things through, she is hard to get along with. With her it is all or nothing from a very corrupt businesswoman's standpoint when in her world business is mainly ruled by men and their egos.

At the Black Night Gallery doing Jeanette's little job, she does not tell you that it is Therese's big moment infront of the Camarilla but she hints at it. However Therese has to change into Jeanette's clothes when you return with the pendant and the diary from Ocean House so Therese cannot be in 2 places at once and that is very horrifying drama.

Jeanette's faulty mind about the paintings means you have to know about Bible Lore about Adam and Eve, Caine and Abel, as well as solving the riddle of the Black Night Paintings. That is Caine murdered Abel, then God condemns Caine; he meets Lilith, Caine spurns her! You have to fight the Guardian then, a very good battle but you have to have good weapons to win it and survive.

I don't feel that Therese is really any more upfront to me than Jeanette is, realistically Therese creates lines in the sand that you don't know what rules she has for any particular moment untill you step over into one of Jeanette's plots that is goading the Camarilla and spoiling Therese's business plans in her creating a power base for Therese's ambitions. If you get in between both women, Therese has no hesitation about killing both you and Jeanette, even though she loves Jeanette and wants you to save her "babysister" since this is her Malkavian Insanity. It is fairly hard to know at first that Jeanette is the real personna where you hear from her that Therese was "Daddy's Perfect Girl" and that Jeanette "was the bad always slutty nasty girl".

For me it solidified when Jeanette tells the story that for just one night that Jeanette pretended to be Therese and when Therese came home and found Jeanette in bed with Daddy, Therese lost her sanity and shot Daddy in the head with a shotgun! The prospective that the Elder Mr. Voerman had to deal with was that his single only daughter had a bipolar disorder which he had to deal with on a daily basis. When I tell Jeanette that Therese tried to have me killed it was then that I knew that Jeanette was the only daughter.

[sirericbreheny]

Originally posted by Winged Hussar:

i forced to side with therese on my first playthrough. i didnt know they were same people and when times come to choose it always ended therese killed jeanette even i tried all dialouge options. i dont know why this happened but next time i will play with guide for sure xd

Well you have to believe Jeanette, as she says she does not kill people but Therese does; Therese was "daddy's good little girl" but she hated the thought that Jeanette slept with her Daddy.