[SPOILER]y stuff about the cab driver

[Kon-Vara]

so according to a popular theory cab driver=caine ...

This is a popular theory, but how much is this theory believed to be canon? From what I read, this is still held as "yea, could be the implication, but its not made clear".

I mean his dialogue tracks are saved in a folder named "caine" ffs. Is this a Plus Patch thing or with official patch, too? I don't wanna uninstall the patch just to be sure.

Can someone clarify it, please? :)

[StockyBaldy]

I personally believe the Cab Driver is in fact Caine, the game is constantly making us think so and it even hints that it is in the files. The Cab Driver seems to know much more than he is telling and his overall feel is much more mysterious than any other character in the game.

Ultimately however, it is still not totally proven whether he is Caine or not, and it's left up to personal choice. But based on the things the game does and the name of the folder, I personally would say he was meant to be Caine. I think a lot of other people have the same belief I do about him.

But again, at the end of the day it is still just a mere theory that likely will never be proven true or false.

[Wesp5]

As the maker of the Unofficial Patch I just want to state that this was all already in the original game and the patch didn't change it. Not only is his voice folder called "Caine", both the thin blood on the beach and the Malkavian player also refer to him as the "father". So the hints are there!

[Kon-Vara]

Originally posted by wesp5:

... both the thin blood on the beach and the Malkavian player also refer to him as the "father". So the hints are there!

I usually tend to believe the Malkavians. Someone who has the potential power to "deny" can't be that far off.

Originally posted by Bald Man:

But again, at the end of the day it is still just a mere theory that likely will never be proven true or false.

Like the spin in inception. :S

Thanks for the input. :)

[⛧ Morslyte ⛧]

You could of course, make the thread a bit less spoilery for new players. How about change it to "About the Cab Driver" or "About Caine"?

[Kon-Vara]

Originally posted by ♰ Morslyte ♰:

You could of course, make the thread a bit less spoilery for new players. How about change it to "About the Cab Driver" or "About Caine"?

kay

[DedFault]

It is strongly implied that the taxi driver may be Caine, the first vampire and ancestral Sire of all Kindred. Evidence to support this theory includes:

His line about "driving people to their destination" before the final confrontation with LaCroix/Ming, as quoted above, contains a strong ironic undertone: as a mere cab driver, he does "drive people to their destination" in the literal sense, but as Caine, father of all vampires, the inherited blood connection with his Kindred also allows him to subconsciously "drive" their actions via manipulation of the Jyhad, a fact he reminds the fledgling of via the "blood of Caine" reference.

A Malkavian fledgling shows an immediate instinctual terror towards the cab driver, suggesting that their clan's unique insight has led them to recognize him as Caine. This is supported by several lines of dialog: demanding to know "WHERE ARE YOU TAKING US?" (with the "us" referring to all Kindred, rather than the personal "me"), results in the driver replying that he is "just a driver", and it is up to "you" (referring to all Kindred, if the analogy is followed) to "figure out where you want to be taken". The Malkavian fledgling can then retort with "But you've made that mistake before", to which he tersely responds "Yes."

When speaking with the seer on the Santa Monica Beach, one line of dialogue mentions a smiling man (Smiling Jack), and the "Father" standing behind him. At the end of the game, a cutscene is shown with Jack watching the Venture Tower from afar and laughing, with the corpse of Messerach next to him; in the last moments of the game, the Cab Driver appears unexpectedly behind him, bearing a smoky black aura that no other character in the game displays, and repeating his earlier line: "Remember, wherever we go, it is the blood of Caine which makes our fate."

The sound files containing the Cab Driver's dialogue audio are all named with the prefix "Caine."

[StockyBaldy]

Originally posted by DedFault:

It is strongly implied that the taxi driver may be Caine, the first vampire and ancestral Sire of all Kindred. Evidence to support this theory includes:

His line about "driving people to their destination" before the final confrontation with LaCroix/Ming, as quoted above, contains a strong ironic undertone: as a mere cab driver, he does "drive people to their destination" in the literal sense, but as Caine, father of all vampires, the inherited blood connection with his Kindred also allows him to subconsciously "drive" their actions via manipulation of the Jyhad, a fact he reminds the fledgling of via the "blood of Caine" reference.

A Malkavian fledgling shows an immediate instinctual terror towards the cab driver, suggesting that their clan's unique insight has led them to recognize him as Caine. This is supported by several lines of dialog: demanding to know "WHERE ARE YOU TAKING US?" (with the "us" referring to all Kindred, rather than the personal "me"), results in the driver replying that he is "just a driver", and it is up to "you" (referring to all Kindred, if the analogy is followed) to "figure out where you want to be taken". The Malkavian fledgling can then retort with "But you've made that mistake before", to which he tersely responds "Yes."

When speaking with the seer on the Santa Monica Beach, one line of dialogue mentions a smiling man (Smiling Jack), and the "Father" standing behind him. At the end of the game, a cutscene is shown with Jack watching the Venture Tower from afar and laughing, with the corpse of Messerach next to him; in the last moments of the game, the Cab Driver appears unexpectedly behind him, bearing a smoky black aura that no other character in the game displays, and repeating his earlier line: "Remember, wherever we go, it is the blood of Caine which makes our fate."

The sound files containing the Cab Driver's dialogue audio are all named with the prefix "Caine."

Really well said! This otherworldy insight that the Malkavians have are one of the reasons it's my favorite clan.

[sirericbreheny]

Originally posted by wesp5:

As the maker of the Unofficial Patch I just want to state that this was all already in the original game and the patch didn't change it. Not only is his voice folder called "Caine", both the thin blood on the beach and the Malkavian player also refer to him as the "father". So the hints are there!

Yesss the woman clarivoyant sees him standing behind your MC; I have not yet got the cab driver so I don't know, I am having a problem finishing the Train Yard and Warehouse quest...it is hard to find the main office, I found 1 office but too many guards are running out of it.

[⛧ Morslyte ⛧]

Originally posted by sirericbreheny:

Originally posted by wesp5:

As the maker of the Unofficial Patch I just want to state that this was all already in the original game and the patch didn't change it. Not only is his voice folder called "Caine", both the thin blood on the beach and the Malkavian player also refer to him as the "father". So the hints are there!

Yesss the woman clarivoyant sees him standing behind your MC; I have not yet got the cab driver so I don't know, I am having a problem finishing the Train Yard and Warehouse quest...it is hard to find the main office, I found 1 office but too many guards are running out of it.

Then you should avoid threads such as these. Anyhow, what do you mean by MC?

And yes, that is the office with the "guards" (Sabbat ghouls) you must kill them all, or sneak past them, or something, then plant the astrolite.

[Kon-Vara]

Originally posted by ♰ Morslyte ♰:

Anyhow, what do you mean by MC?

And yes, that is the office with the "guards" (Sabbat ghouls) you must kill them all, or sneak past them, or something, then plant the astrolite.

"Why is he smiling? The father? Is it- is it the father behind him?" maybe this question? But it would make sense, the Father, Caine, standing behind "Smiling" Jack. And she is questioning this, too. Which makes it another point for the "maybe" argument. Good point.

I also don't know, what he means by MC.^^

Originally posted by sirericbreheny:

I am having a problem finishing the Train Yard and Warehouse quest...it is hard to find the main office, I found 1 office but too many guards are running out of it.

For the warehouse: depends on your character. There's ammo for a shotgun around the area, the .38 peashooter doesn't really cut it. Bloodbuff yourself and drain, once you got one goon cut from the line of sight of the others. If they can't attack you, while you drain them, you don't get interrupted. You can also sneakkill some of them, before dealing with the rest. The shotgun guys are probably most trouble. Combat is really stiff, but these misfit minions can be overcome with raw strength.

[sirericbreheny]

I appreciate your help and will try what you say, I did plant the bomb in the main office but have yet to find an escape route that saves me enough time to stop my Final Death. Maybe more tries of the quest is needed to accomplish since the vent over the old locomotive room is the only escape route when the Truck Dock Doors are closed by the guards tripping them.

[sirericbreheny]

Originally posted by Bald Man:

I personally believe the Cab Driver is in fact Caine, the game is constantly making us think so and it even hints that it is in the files. The Cab Driver seems to know much more than he is telling and his overall feel is much more mysterious than any other character in the game.

Ultimately however, it is still not totally proven whether he is Caine or not, and it's left up to personal choice. But based on the things the game does and the name of the folder, I personally would say he was meant to be Caine. I think a lot of other people have the same belief I do about him.

But again, at the end of the day it is still just a mere theory that likely will never be proven true or false.

I agree Bald Man, if you go into the Gallery Black and look at the paintings of course you don't see much of the Caine's face in them. The way the Cabdriver talks to you and his features your lead to believe he must be Caine of the Bible, however in the Bible and some other writings it is mentioned that God later Blesses Caine and his wife to have their son Enoch whom Caine uses his name for his city. Enoch of course is the "Vampire Hunter" that God and his Angels trains after taking him to Heaven for a time then placing him back on Earth again 200 years later.

The Cabdriver later comes to stand near Jack whom is seated with the Turkish Mummy as they watch the Ventrue LaCroix Foundation burns in the Smiling Jack Weeny Roast! LOL, I saw some very good YouTube replays and loved watching them as they give a few alternate endings to finding the sarchophagus, I still would love it if the Turkish Mummy would become alive and you could get it as your ally to battle with LaCroix a final time and the MacGilla Gorilla would join in the battle, but sadly that would only happen if someone made another recreation of the game.

[Rubi]

Incidentally, this may be the reason the PC was able to withstand Lacroix' domination attempt. While many explanations on the web pertain that somehow the PC's Sire was of a lower generation than Lacroix, it may have been Caine's mastery of domination (accoding to whitewolf wiki: "Lvl 6 Dominate - Loyalty: It becomes very difficult for other vampires to override your Dominate commands with their own" ) that allowed the PC, a promising fledgling guided by the Caine-Wanderer interpretation, to resist.

[spectre199]

there is a few things through out the game that you a fledgling would not be able to survive without help from something greater, like the cab driver cain. The game hints several times that the cab driver is far more than he seems and as someone mentioned the thin bloods they all say that the cab driver is cain

[Kdyver]

Originally posted by sirericbreheny:

I agree Bald Man, if you go into the Gallery Black and look at the paintings of course you don't see much of the Caine's face in them. The way the Cabdriver talks to you and his features your lead to believe he must be Caine of the Bible, however in the Bible and some other writings it is mentioned that God later Blesses Caine and his wife to have their son Enoch whom Caine uses his name for his city. Enoch of course is the "Vampire Hunter" that God and his Angels trains after taking him to Heaven for a time then placing him back on Earth again 200 years later.

Enoch was a vampire, the first one Embraced, the first of the three sons of Cain who compose the second generation of Kindred: Enoch (the wise), Irad (the strong) and Zillah (the beautiful).

He is Sire of the Antediluvians Malkav (Malkavians), Salout (Salubri) and Arikel/Ishtar (Toreador), the "Seer lineage".

Some other clans clain his progenitor as children of Enoch (Tzimisce for example), but this is not certain.