Question about the gargoyle quest

[Awkad]

Hi, I read in every walktrough that before dealing with the gargoyle in the asian theater, the player should go to strauss. And with a sufficient level of persuasion he can learn a few things about said gargoyle. My question is : How do you ever know that you have to go to see strauss when you don't use the internet and aren't a tremere. I can't figure out what I missed. My thanks. (sorry if it has already been discussed but I did not find a relevant answer to this particular question of mine).

[† ßâd•£üç]< Îñç™]

By canon, it was the Tremere clan is who created Gargoyles[whitewolf.fandom.com] to help protect them in their war against the Tzimisce during the Middle Ages.

If you go to the Chantry to meet Strauss, you can find a book that explains its origins. (When you enter, take a right > right > right which, if I remember correctly, takes you into a room where you will find the book on the table.) Once you get the quest by Isaac in Hollywood to help rid the Gargoyle in the Asian Theater, return to L.A. and talk with Strauss about the Gargoyle. He will give you an item that will help reduce damage by the Gargoyle if you engage him.

[Wesp5]

Short as has been written above, if you don't know anything from the WoD, you can still find that book and thus get the connection!

[dwarfpcfan]

As a side note, it's a very interesting little detail when Strauss says he created the gargoyle. Assuming he wasn't lying and/or was the one who actually did the ritual as opposed to just being an secondary participant assisting the person actually completing the ritual, it say a lot about him.

Let's just say not every regent gets to learn the gargoyle creation ritual.

[† ßâd•£üç]< Îñç™]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

As a side note, it's a very interesting little detail when Strauss says he created the gargoyle. Assuming he wasn't lying and/or was the one who actually did the ritual as opposed to just being an secondary participant assisting the person actually completing the ritual, it say a lot about him.

Let's just say not every regent gets to learn the gargoyle creation ritual.

In Strauss' case, I don't see why he would have a reason to lie, especially when he risks the player finding out the truth from the Gargoyle itself.

According to White Wolf's wiki, it was agreed that Gargoyles were ceased to be created as a result of the Montmartre Pact[whitewolf.fandom.com] in 1489. This is a strong indication of how long Strauss has been around, considering his age and generation are unknown.

[dwarfpcfan]

Originally posted by † ßâd•£üç< Îñç™:

According to White Wolf's wiki, it was agreed that Gargoyles were ceased to be created as a result of the Montmartre Pact[whitewolf.fandom.com] in 1489. This is a strong indication of how long Strauss has been around, considering his age and generation are unknown.

Or how favored he is in his clan to have someone teach him the ritual. Either way, it makes the malkavian playthrough especially interesting when the MC call him "wizard-king" and refers to Lacroix as "Jester-Prince" nice bit of perspective.

[† ßâd•£üç]< Îñç™]

Originally posted by dwarfpcfan:

Or how favored he is in his clan to have someone teach him the ritual. Either way, it makes the malkavian playthrough especially interesting when the MC call him "wizard-king" and refers to Lacroix as "Jester-Prince" nice bit of perspective.

I don't think favoritism has anything to do with it, as much as the ritual[whitewolf.fandom.com] itself does require complete Thaumaturgical mastery. Furthermore, Strauss appears to be using Telepathic Communication[maierstorm.org] (at least level 6 Auspex) if the player chooses to ally with the Camarilla at the end of the game. This indicates that he has likely been around since the Middle Ages... possibly as old as the clan itself. It is also reinforced by the Malkavian who says to him, "Your iron crown begins to sparkle."

[Deranged Duck]

Not sure if answered yet, but in the tremere sanctuary, there's a book on gargoyles in one of the rooms, And you can find this book on your first trip in downtown.

[Steerpike3]

The Regent's Riddle is almost the first quest you get in the game. It is literally an engraved invitation to go seek out Strauss -- he has a card inviting you to see him on the desk.

[furbleburble]

This is an interesting topic. I wonder what happens if you get the gargoyle quest before ever meeting Strauss.

[† ßâd•£üç]< Îñç™]

Originally posted by Steerpike3:

The Regent's Riddle is almost the first quest you get in the game. It is literally an engraved invitation to go seek out Strauss -- he has a card inviting you to see him on the desk.

Thank you for including this! I should have done the same but didn't because I assumed the OP already met Strauss because of the Riddle quest.

[furbleburble]

Originally posted by † ßâd•£üç< Îñç™:

Originally posted by Steerpike3:

The Regent's Riddle is almost the first quest you get in the game. It is literally an engraved invitation to go seek out Strauss -- he has a card inviting you to see him on the desk.

Thank you for including this! I should have done the same but didn't because I assumed the OP already met Strauss because of the Riddle quest.

But nothing about that quest indicates anything about the Tremere and Gargoyles. If you don't find the book about Gargoyles, what in the game indicates going to Strauss for information about gargoyles, especially if you're not a Tremere? That is the question at hand. The Regent's Riddle is its own thing entirely, and finding the book is pure happenstance. Even if you are Tremere, I can't recall anything that grants knowledge to you simply for being Tremere, aside from possibly meta-game clan descriptions, and you still have to find the book.

I seem to recall Isaac actually saying something about Tremere and gargoyles if you ask the right questions, but I can't say for certain and I'm not sure if that's in the base game or added via restoration. I don't have a recent save to find out.

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by furbleburble:

I seem to recall Isaac actually saying something about Tremere and gargoyles if you ask the right questions, but I can't say for certain and I'm not sure if that's in the base game or added via restoration.

Isaac tells you nothing about the connection to the Tremere, so you either find the book in the chantry or you are not going to know they are connected...

[furbleburble]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Originally posted by furbleburble:

I seem to recall Isaac actually saying something about Tremere and gargoyles if you ask the right questions, but I can't say for certain and I'm not sure if that's in the base game or added via restoration.

Isaac tells you nothing about the connection to the Tremere, so you either find the book in the chantry or you are not going to know they are connected...

Oh. I don't know where that idea came from then.

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by furbleburble:

Originally posted by wesp5:

Isaac tells you nothing about the connection to the Tremere, so you either find the book in the chantry or you are not going to know they are connected...

Oh. I don't know where that idea came from then.

You tell him about the connection if you betray Strauss, so you might have remembered that :)!

[Steerpike3]

Originally posted by furbleburble:

Originally posted by † ßâd•£üç< Îñç™:

Thank you for including this! I should have done the same but didn't because I assumed the OP already met Strauss because of the Riddle quest.

But nothing about that quest indicates anything about the Tremere and Gargoyles. If you don't find the book about Gargoyles, what in the game indicates going to Strauss for information about gargoyles, especially if you're not a Tremere? That is the question at hand. The Regent's Riddle is its own thing entirely, and finding the book is pure happenstance. Even if you are Tremere, I can't recall anything that grants knowledge to you simply for being Tremere, aside from possibly meta-game clan descriptions, and you still have to find the book.

I seem to recall Isaac actually saying something about Tremere and gargoyles if you ask the right questions, but I can't say for certain and I'm not sure if that's in the base game or added via restoration. I don't have a recent save to find out.

If you find the chantry you'll find the book. Even with low perception it still gives off an aura, it's impossible to miss. Then when Issac starts talking about gargoyles you put two and two together. Not to sound mean but most people won't need a walkthrough for this.