Blood magic in Plus patch

[naru]

I am playing a Tremere in Base patch.

This clan seems... underdeveloped. Which makes sense because of the rush.
I don't know how does blood magic work in the PnP game, but in VTMB most of the spells are just not all that useful.
-Blood Strike is good for some hard hitting poke in a boss fight, but it takes way too long for the blood to return to be useful against regular enemies. Also blood spells don't drain vampiric blood so it's even less useful in places filled with vamps.
-Blood Salvo is just... useless against everything that is not a zombie-horde. It only targets enemies in your FoV, has a low range, has a weird targeting when there are objects between you and the target, AND only returns blood IF you are completely still and there is nothing between you and the enemy. So you can't even use cover in a gunfight. Not to mention that ranged enemies spread out and hide behind covers, making them untargetable, and melee ones will just push you away so the blood points won't return.
-Blood Boil is just a fun move. Would be perfectly fine if the rest were viable, but it's all the more expensive with having to buy the already bad Blood Salvo too.

Seems like the only sensical way to build in Base patch is 3 Thaumaturgy(Blood Purge is good AoE stun and Shield is a discount Fortitude) and full Dominate. Pretty disappointing since Thaumaturgy is so central in the clan's design that it is listed as being the clan bonus.


Is Thaumaturgy any better performing in the Plus Patch?

[Wesp5]

I never played as a Tremere myself, but in the plus patch the Blood Salvo discipline has been replaced by Blood Theft which basically kills a targeted enemy while giving you all his blood...

[naru]

Well I guess they just didn't had the time to balance the ability properly.
It is basically an AoE Blood Strike, meaning as long as you have 3 or more enemies in field of view you had free damage with infinite blood pool if it was 4 or more so they gave it hindrances by reducing it's range and forcing you to stand still and be a shooting target, but it was such an overnerf that the spell became useless for anything more than clearing out zombie hordes.


By the way why the changed disciplines in Plus Patch? Was there some hints about other spells being in concept instead or something?

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by naru:

By the way why the changed disciplines in Plus Patch? Was there some hints about other spells being in concept instead or something?

Yes, there was info in the game files including animations and particles for all of the restored disciplines. Maybe Troika hadn't time to implement these properly and thus for Dementation, Domination and Thaumaturgy just copied some of the lower levels and made them do AoE.

[naru]

I see thanks for the answers.

[Ailon]

To be honest Tremere are one of the most powerfull clan in this game if played well.

[Bumbles_Bounce]

Tremere = Master Clan

[FiftyBucks]

Thaumaturgy is one of the most powerful schools in VTM:B. The developers didn't mess it up. It's fine, you just need practice using it. You don't have to stand still the entire time. Execute blood salvo, a salvo of blood bolts will fly at your enemies, after it hits them you should hear a rushing sound and see the blood bolt begin to return to you. As soon as you see the bolt returning you can move, including behind objects. You'll get the blood. Does it matter that you might get shot a few times? I get enough back enough blood to break even or then some on health.

[naru]

Might have been bugged because if I move while the bolts are mid flight they just either explode upon collision or just turn into a random direction and be destroyed.....
I had Base patch installed.

[FiftyBucks]

Hmm, odd. That does sound bugged.

[Bumbles_Bounce]

same for blood strike, after you cast it, you can move 2-4 steps (see which works for you) in any direction and you will still get the blood return. I snipe from behind cover and corners all the time. Step out, fire away, step back. Works every time.

[Thite]

I played tremere with the + patch and the blood strikes had homing, also blood shield was very powerful, as well as the AoE ability that made all enemies vomit blood. If you play close up to enemies as i did (generalissimo) then blood magics works incredibly well.

[Ailon]

It's worth to mention that Plus version patch allows you to achieve Blood Salvo effect with Blood Strike (for example hitting 3 enemies one after one will return blood 3 times).

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by Ailon:

It's worth to mention that Plus version patch allows you to achieve Blood Salvo effect with Blood Strike (for example hitting 3 enemies one after one will return blood 3 times).

Huh? I wasn't aware of that and thought there is a cool down time to avoid that, unless enemies are very far away...

[Ailon]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Originally posted by Ailon:

It's worth to mention that Plus version patch allows you to achieve Blood Salvo effect with Blood Strike (for example hitting 3 enemies one after one will return blood 3 times).

Huh? I wasn't aware of that and thought there is a cool down time to avoid that, unless enemies are very far away...

I guess I should not mention that ^^".
To be honest it makes sense for me that hitting multiple enemies with bloodstrike will return blood for each hit. It's also rewarding when you are good at aiming and timing disciplines.

Keep in mind that:

Originally posted by naru:

This clan seems... underdeveloped.

:D

[FiftyBucks]

In the basic version casting another bloodstrike or salvo before a prior cast completes will interupt the effect and you will not get the blood back. This thread is making me laugh, Tremere are one of if not the most powerful clan in this game. Don't know how people mess them up.