Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines

naru Aug 2, 2017 @ 12:14pm
What was Gehenna actually?
So I'm not familiar with the World of Darkness lore. I hear this Gehenna things have went down and pretty much gave a reboot / fresh start for the franchise.

What was it actually? In VTMB the various cults say more and more nonsensical things.

Also what did become of the characters from VTMB? Would be quite the disappointment if everyone just died not long after the game's ending....
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Reban Aug 2, 2017 @ 1:43pm 
White Wolf (the creators of vamprie and world of darkness, the actual role playing game) released a manual called Gehenna with 4 or 5 different endings (I don´t remenber exactly) so players could choose their favourite. That was supposed to shut down the old world of darkness, they released a new line that didn´t end up being succesful.
Last news is that they have made a Chronicles of darkness setting where the gehenna didn´t happened and it kinda merges with the other universe.
So its kinda like White wolf ackowledged It was the old world of darkess who made It and restore it. Smart move. I approve.
So happy ending I suppose.
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naru Aug 2, 2017 @ 9:19pm 
I see. Ty.
Bloodartist Aug 4, 2017 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by naru:
So I'm not familiar with the World of Darkness lore. I hear this Gehenna things have went down and pretty much gave a reboot / fresh start for the franchise.

What was it actually? In VTMB the various cults say more and more nonsensical things.

Also what did become of the characters from VTMB? Would be quite the disappointment if everyone just died not long after the game's ending....


VtM metaplot in pre-2000 time period was inspired by Gehenna, the idea of the world ending and players playing during the "end times". Ofc, interest in such ideas can maintain for only so long when the expiration date passes and world actually doesn't end.

So it sort of died out, and WW handled the issue by introducing the abovementioned source material, so people still interested in Gehenna could play out their own games with it, while kind of rebooting the VtM/oWoD universe to not include Gehenna. In other words, it was up to you whether the world ended or not. Think of it as separate timelines.

As for the VtMB characters, they have not been referenced outside VtMB (except Smiling Jack) to avoid licensing issues. The characters are technically owned by Activision.
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naru Aug 4, 2017 @ 11:06am 
Interesting....
But was it the Antediluvians waking then everyone going nuts from it and eating each other? Or maybe a random blood-tsunami popping up from thin air to destroy everything? Or maybe Caine and Lilith's duel collapsed the world? Or the thinbloods by some miracle overpowered the far more powerful true vampires? Or a meteor destroyed the world? Did the planet just blew up maybe? X)
Bloodartist Aug 4, 2017 @ 4:29pm 
Originally posted by naru:
Interesting....
But was it the Antediluvians waking then everyone going nuts from it and eating each other? Or maybe a random blood-tsunami popping up from thin air to destroy everything? Or maybe Caine and Lilith's duel collapsed the world? Or the thinbloods by some miracle overpowered the far more powerful true vampires? Or a meteor destroyed the world? Did the planet just blew up maybe? X)

Thats what Gehenna refers to afaik. Antediluvians rising and devouring all vampires. Tbh I don't know what comes after that...

There was a lore case of one of the Antediluvians actually waking up (The Ravnos one). The event was called "week of nightmares". I don't think there are many fans to how it was written..

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Week_of_Nightmares
naru Aug 5, 2017 @ 6:12am 
Well it's quite realistic for other supernatural superpowers and factions to just gang up on these ancients and wreck them with TECHNOLOGY!!!

Kirby12352 Aug 6, 2017 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by Bloodartist:
Originally posted by naru:
So I'm not familiar with the World of Darkness lore. I hear this Gehenna things have went down and pretty much gave a reboot / fresh start for the franchise.

What was it actually? In VTMB the various cults say more and more nonsensical things.

Also what did become of the characters from VTMB? Would be quite the disappointment if everyone just died not long after the game's ending....


VtM metaplot in pre-2000 time period was inspired by Gehenna, the idea of the world ending and players playing during the "end times". Ofc, interest in such ideas can maintain for only so long when the expiration date passes and world actually doesn't end.

So it sort of died out, and WW handled the issue by introducing the abovementioned source material, so people still interested in Gehenna could play out their own games with it, while kind of rebooting the VtM/oWoD universe to not include Gehenna. In other words, it was up to you whether the world ended or not. Think of it as separate timelines.

As for the VtMB characters, they have not been referenced outside VtMB (except Smiling Jack) to avoid licensing issues. The characters are technically owned by Activision.


If Gehenna ends up not happening in the rebooted version, what ends up happening with that whole "Time of Thin Blood" thing? I would assume something would have to happen eventually to cull the herd a bit and make lower-generation vampires more commonplace. After all, I'm sure the World of Darkness would get pretty dull if it was just thin-bloods walking around. Or does VTM just kind of ignore that issue? (Keep in mind I know basically nothing about World of Darkness, since the only experience I have with it is Bloodlines)
naru Aug 6, 2017 @ 11:10am 
Well looking at the "Gehenna Signs" on the Wiki and how they are all around the place in history I guess every time they were like: "OMFG THE WORLD IS ENDIIIIIIIING!!!!" and when it turned out to not be world ending things after all they rolled with "IT WAS ACTUALLY A SIGN OF THE EEEEND!!! OUR BELIEFS ARE TOTALLY NOT FALSE!!! WE TOTALLY HAVEN'T WASTED OUR UN-LIVES ON NONSENSE!!!!".

Beckett's explaining his opinion on the superstitious stuff is pure gold too. X,D
Bloodartist Aug 7, 2017 @ 8:48am 
Originally posted by Kirby12352:
If Gehenna ends up not happening in the rebooted version, what ends up happening with that whole "Time of Thin Blood" thing?
Nothing I'd imagine.

I would assume something would have to happen eventually to cull the herd a bit and make lower-generation vampires more commonplace. After all, I'm sure the World of Darkness would get pretty dull if it was just thin-bloods walking around.
Well older vampires aren't just going to spontaneously vanish. They are still there.

Also if an older vampire decides to sire a progeny, progeny's generation is going to be his gen + 1. Which is still decently old. Its not like all new progeny are thin-bloods.
naru Aug 7, 2017 @ 9:29am 
Originally posted by Kirby12352:
If Gehenna ends up not happening in the rebooted version, what ends up happening with that whole "Time of Thin Blood" thing? I would assume something would have to happen eventually to cull the herd a bit and make lower-generation vampires more commonplace. After all, I'm sure the World of Darkness would get pretty dull if it was just thin-bloods walking around. Or does VTM just kind of ignore that issue? (Keep in mind I know basically nothing about World of Darkness, since the only experience I have with it is Bloodlines)
Thin Bloods are easy prey for everything, including Hunters as far as I am aware also not all thin bloods can sire. They may just devolve into something like a WoD version of dhampirs.
About the thinning of blood in general, elders are still around and very difficult to kill, so low gen vamps won't die out. It's just the high gens will have higher population.
Kirby12352 Aug 7, 2017 @ 3:32pm 
Originally posted by Bloodartist:
Originally posted by Kirby12352:
If Gehenna ends up not happening in the rebooted version, what ends up happening with that whole "Time of Thin Blood" thing?
Nothing I'd imagine.

I would assume something would have to happen eventually to cull the herd a bit and make lower-generation vampires more commonplace. After all, I'm sure the World of Darkness would get pretty dull if it was just thin-bloods walking around.
Well older vampires aren't just going to spontaneously vanish. They are still there.

Also if an older vampire decides to sire a progeny, progeny's generation is going to be his gen + 1. Which is still decently old. Its not like all new progeny are thin-bloods.


I suppose that's true. I was just thinking that over time the lower-generation ones would die out, but I suppose that isn't all that commonplace, and it would take an absurd amount of time for that to become a real problem. I'm not familiar with the population of lower-generation vampires either, so there are probably a lot more than I'm assuming.
Konstantin Dec 26, 2017 @ 8:04am 
Well the Vampire 20 Annisvary Edition says the events and how you use canon of VtM even Gehenna all is optional. The Fifth Edition continue where the third edition left but just cut out the Gehenna book as has happened so Gehenna in 2004 is like Star Wars Legends it could be happened but canon is we still live in the final nights but Gehenna has not happen already.
d3athstroke Dec 26, 2017 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by naru:
So I'm not familiar with the World of Darkness lore. I hear this Gehenna things have went down and pretty much gave a reboot / fresh start for the franchise.

What was it actually? In VTMB the various cults say more and more nonsensical things.

Also what did become of the characters from VTMB? Would be quite the disappointment if everyone just died not long after the game's ending....
Old Vampires woke up and ate all new ones
blixwaffe Feb 23, 2019 @ 11:01pm 
Gehenna works out like this: Event 1, Week of Nightmares, Starting between 1999 or 2001 Reports rise about a phenomena in India where Many folks start breaking out in a rash of Nightmares, The Ravnos Antediluvian, whatever that name may be, has awoken, resulting in basically a weeks worth of 24hr. Fighting, The Fortitude, A Defensive Discipline, On The monster was so strong that it could keep up that fight, From all sides, Until finally The Antediluvian was Killed by Mages with a "Sunlight Nuke."

Event 2: Bloodlines, The Video game we all know and Love is actually quite Cannon, all the Main Characters, Beckett, The Voerman Sisters, Smiling Jack, Nines Rodriguez, LaCroix have all existed, Most still do, events in the Game have and Havent occured.

Event ???: A bit that occured before the demand of V20, was The Clan Books, 13 stories usually told in the perspective of about 2 vampires of the same clan, First book covering the Toreador, to the Last covering The Nosferatu, Where a Tremere Antitribru becomes a powerful Monster with The Eye of Hazimel, an Old Ravnos Fragment.

Event Optional: The Gehenna book, Covering the End of All things, and some insight in the mysteries (and maybe even a few more questions) Concerning VTM Lore, Including a little section about Caine.

Solution A: The Chronicles of Darkness, a new take on Vampire, but in an alternate universe, The Game had less clans, and Even more questions of How Vampirism Began.

Solution B: Gehenna... Hasn't happened Yet, and Know one can really tell you why... maybe it'll never come, Maybe Gehenna was just another change in the Vampire world... This is V20, Beckett's Jyhad Diary takes place in plenty of time though basically around 2005, and makes a few Ideas for Modern Roleplay settings. Then V5 came out, and the cannon around that is... well some of it isn't quite cannon anymore due to controversy, but it tells of a Second Inquisition one that isn't unified.
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