Clinic Guard Death Humanity Loss

[@Innomen]

I know I can evade him and such with hacking and picking but is there no way to knock that guy out or scare him off? Must I kill him to get the key? Google says he's not supposed to incur a humanity penalty but he does.

What am I missing?

The wiki is predictably useless:
http://vtmb.wikia.com/wiki/Bloody_Mess

"grab the key" -.- ...off his cold empty corpse? No. X)

Also feeding off him doesn't phase him.

Dominate is so weak in this game. In P&P I should be able to command him to sleep and have the run of the floor and be able to search him.

[4d69636861656c]

As long as he's not aggressive (he doesn't see you), you will lose humanity when you kill him. Once he becomes aggressive, you can safely defend yourself and finish him off.
It shouldn't be too difficult to sneak past the guard if you have disciplines like Celerity or Dominate.

[Theinvoker]

Why don't you persuade the woman so the guard will be friendly and you don't need to sneak or fight? There are many ways to do this quest

[@Innomen]

Originally posted by Theinvoker:

Why don't you persuade the woman so the guard will be friendly and you don't need to sneak or fight? There are many ways to do this quest

Because I forgot all about that path XD Wiki didn't mention it.

Originally posted by 4d69636861656c:

As long as he's not aggressive (he doesn't see you), you will lose humanity when you kill him. Once he becomes aggressive, you can safely defend yourself and finish him off.
It shouldn't be too difficult to sneak past the guard if you have disciplines like Celerity or Dominate.

Dominate is nerfed bigtime and way too expensive. Dom totally needs conversation options. (Think jedi mind trick implemented like intimidation and seduction feats.)

And no, I waited till he shot me and I still lost humanity. Which is fair since there are alternate paths and I'm the invader and he's just doing his job.

Thanks everyone :)

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by Innomen:

Dom totally needs conversation options.

Dominate has a lot of conversation options and even one with that very clinic guard!

And no, I waited till he shot me and I still lost humanity

This is a feature which I added for the plus patch because I understand it as you do.

[Zilljah]

Use Persuasion to get past the desk clerk, telling them you're here to fix the computers. Then when you get upstairs, the guard will give you the key and tell you to give it back when you're done. Which you don't actually have to do.

[@Innomen]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Dominate has a lot of conversation options and even one with that very clinic guard!

Eh? Really? All I have is "Okay." as an option. I have dominate 2. Is that not enough? In the paper game one point means I can issue one word commands. (From memory, I could be wrong, it's been literally about a decade.)

Originally posted by wesp5:

This is a feature which I added for the plus patch because I understand it as you do.

Cool :) Now if only stolen hand guns could be sold for more than six dollars X) (or at least if I could edit my cash totals with console commands hehe)

[Touch of Oblivion]

Originally posted by Innomen:

Originally posted by wesp5:

Dominate has a lot of conversation options and even one with that very clinic guard!

Eh? Really? All I have is "Okay." as an option. I have dominate 2. Is that not enough? In the paper game one point means I can issue one word commands. (From memory, I could be wrong, it's been literally about a decade.)

Originally posted by wesp5:

This is a feature which I added for the plus patch because I understand it as you do.

Cool :) Now if only stolen hand guns could be sold for more than six dollars X) (or at least if I could edit my cash totals with console commands hehe)

Do not compare the pen and paper game to this game in terms of what levels of a Discipline do what. They do not always function the same and in the case of Dominate, Dementation, and Presence having dialogue options, they're set at particular requirements depending on the dialogue line in question. For instance, you may need Dominate, Dementation, or Presence 3 to be able to access the benefits. The game would be far, far too easy if it worked like the PnP game's powers did.

[@Innomen]

Deviation from the P&P version of VTM from the year of this game's creation is a mistake generally whenever it occurs. The balance argument doesn't hold water with me, but I'm quick to add it doesn't need to. Obviously the game is a gem.

A lot of stuff done in this game was done because of various limitations on the development team, not active design choices.

I mean come on, technically this vampire's entire life happens in one night. That's pretty absurd. I understand why it happens like that but clearly it was a best fit situation and they'd have preferred to fill it out WAY more.

This game needs to be redone as a GTA V mod to have any hope of it's true potential scope heh.

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by Innomen:

Eh? Really? All I have is "Okay." as an option. I have dominate 2. Is that not enough?

Yes, Dominate 1 or Dementation or Presence 1 are enough! If you don't get these options something is wrong with your game...

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Originally posted by Innomen:

Eh? Really? All I have is "Okay." as an option. I have dominate 2. Is that not enough?

Yes, Dominate 1 or Dementation or Presence 1 are enough! If you don't get these options something is wrong with your game...

I was thinking about the Tremere having fewer opportunities to use Dominate in the plus patch but that shouldn't make a difference in this conversation with the guard here, right?

[@Innomen]

Originally posted by wesp5:

Originally posted by Innomen:

Eh? Really? All I have is "Okay." as an option. I have dominate 2. Is that not enough?

Yes, Dominate 1 or Dementation or Presence 1 are enough! If you don't get these options something is wrong with your game...

Well all I have is steam's base install plus your patch. I don't see how anything could have corrupted my folder/save/whatever.

The only thing I've done is bought and sold humanity via stats sell, and I think I tried to give myself some money via give item money clip (because pistol sell price absurdly low) but it didn't work. Says inventory full.

Oh well. I got around him with stealth. :)

He definitely is bugged though in one sense. Like I said, I fed off him and it didn't daze him for even an instant.

[Touch of Oblivion]

Originally posted by Innomen:

Originally posted by wesp5:

Yes, Dominate 1 or Dementation or Presence 1 are enough! If you don't get these options something is wrong with your game...

Well all I have is steam's base install plus your patch. I don't see how anything could have corrupted my folder/save/whatever.

The only thing I've done is bought and sold humanity via stats sell, and I think I tried to give myself some money via give item money clip (because pistol sell price absurdly low) but it didn't work. Says inventory full.

Oh well. I got around him with stealth. :)

He definitely is bugged though in one sense. Like I said, I fed off him and it didn't daze him for even an instant.

It could be your download of the UP was incomplete or a small portion of it was corrupted. There have also been instances where it hasn't been installed correctly and a player has operated thinking they had the UP functional and they didn't.

[@Innomen]

Originally posted by TouchOfOblivion:

It could be your download of the UP was incomplete or a small portion of it was corrupted. There have also been instances where it hasn't been installed correctly and a player has operated thinking they had the UP functional and they didn't.

It's a shame there isn't a torrent of the patch. Since torrents hash I would know for sure my file is solid. But honestly I don't think that's it. In either case it's moot now. I got around him with stealth.

If I can beat Manhunt I can stealth around one security guard hehe.

[Dionysus 🐭]

Originally posted by Michael:

As long as he's not aggressive (he doesn't see you), you will lose humanity when you kill him. Once he becomes aggressive, you can safely defend yourself and finish him off.
It shouldn't be too difficult to sneak past the guard if you have disciplines like Celerity or Dominate.

I killed him after he attacked me (without provocation, he instantly detected me) yet I still lost humanity. That is 3 points lost to 1 clinic...

[Wesp5]

Originally posted by aaronth07:

I killed him after he attacked me (without provocation, he instantly detected me)...

He shouldn't do that, except maybe you are playing as a Nosferatu. He should always talk first!