So is there anything special about the Infinte Dungeon?

[Rougheredge]

So, just managed to rather handily beat a playthrough and decided I'd give the Infinite Dungeon a whirl for the first time. Only done a few levels but I'm curious, is it just essentially an unending number of randomly generated dungeons, sort of like a unending Farportal? Is there any special lore, acheivements, or anything interesting there?

Are there any shops that appear perodically so I have something to do with all this gold?

Not that I have a problem if it's just an endless array of dungeons to keep fighting in with a completed character.

[tsengar]

I haven't gotten that far in it yet, but I've read that your talants/stats aren't capped the same way they are in the main game. This was stated as one of the reasons Cursed Aura lists up to Rank 10 in it's effects

[Rougheredge]

Originally posted by tsengar:

I haven't gotten that far in it yet, but I've read that your talants/stats aren't capped the same way they are in the main game. This was stated as one of the reasons Cursed Aura lists up to Rank 10 in it's effects

This didn't occur for me, but maybe it only works if you do the Infinite Dungeon campaign instead of entering it after the main campaign. That's still pretty awesome.

[Disjointed Sky]

Originally posted by Rougheredge:

Originally posted by tsengar:

I haven't gotten that far in it yet, but I've read that your talants/stats aren't capped the same way they are in the main game. This was stated as one of the reasons Cursed Aura lists up to Rank 10 in it's effects

This didn't occur for me, but maybe it only works if you do the Infinite Dungeon campaign instead of entering it after the main campaign. That's still pretty awesome.

This is correct, you can use this addon to level after the main story: https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/idlvling

There is also challenges to get stat/talent rewards.
Talent level past 5 can be uneven, some get good boosts and others almost nothing.

[Rougheredge]

Originally posted by Twoguns_Short:

Originally posted by Rougheredge:

This didn't occur for me, but maybe it only works if you do the Infinite Dungeon campaign instead of entering it after the main campaign. That's still pretty awesome.

This is correct, you can use this addon to level after the main story: https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/idlvling

There is also challenges to get stat/talent rewards.
Talent level past 5 can be uneven, some get good boosts and others almost nothing.

Thanks for the link.

Hmmm, is there an easy way to tell which ones are good? Like, what's a "good" amount of damage gain on a skill per talent level? I kind of struggle with determining what the breakoff point is on skills to begin with. I have a vague idea on some of them at what point it stops being worth it but yeah.

[Disjointed Sky]

All skills will be subject to diminishing returns so you're really picking least bad.
In general any with % instead of flat number boost.
Things like blinding speed will increase well. Weapon mastery and armour are all good.
Also extending turn duration, like stunned for X turns boosted to X+1.

Some will depend on player class; like cursed aura getting to lvl10 or Possessors getting lvl9 in possession tree.
You can check out tome tips for talent break points at different levels: https://tometips.github.io/
Unfortunately doesn't go past 1.5 x lvl5 in talent mastery

[Micbran]

the most special thing about the ID is how bad it is compared to the main campaign

[Bozobub]

...Until you *complete* the main campaign, and have diddly else to do. Oops!

[Micbran]

Originally posted by Bozobub:

...Until you *complete* the main campaign, and have diddly else to do. Oops!

yes like start a new character, thank you

[Berenthas]

Originally posted by Bozobub:

...Until you *complete* the main campaign, and have diddly else to do. Oops!

Except grind farportal to find a shertul, the eidolon while on roguelike mode, and other unique things. Or try to clear oozenest. I wouldn't go to the ID after winning, there is a whole mode for that.

It's stupid to say there is nothing to do after winning the game

[Bozobub]

Sure. It's also stupid to say there's no point to the ID; good of you to realize it. You DO realize Micbran was whining about the ID in general, correct, not just via continued play from the endgame?

Once again, Micbran, YOUR tastes define no one else's. Get over it, because that's not going to change. Furthermore, you don't even bother trying to tell the truth, much of the time; want to tell me again, how no Alchemist has ever won the game past Nightmare without cheating, as a great example? C'mon, try that old-timey BS again, for the nostalgia!

Next you'll be sniveling about Arena mode, I imagine.

@ OP: There are a few decent ID mods, but I prefer "ID500" ("Infinite Dungeon 500").

[Micbran]

Originally posted by Bozobub:

Sure. It's also stupid to say there's no point to the ID; good of you to realize it. You DO realize Micbran was whining about the ID in general, correct, not just via continued play from the endgame?

Once again, Micbran, YOUR tastes define no one else's. Get over it, because that's not going to change. Furthermore, you don't even bother trying to tell the truth, much of the time; want to tell me again, how no Alchemist has ever won the game past Nightmare without cheating, as a great example? C'mon, try that old-timey BS again, for the nostalgia!

Next you'll be sniveling about Arena mode, I imagine.

sure i'll hit all 3 for the combo
arena is better than ID, at least you can not get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by rng but you might as well play the EoR campaign if you want a short game

no alchemist has ever won the game past nightmare without cheating, even berenthas' alch, i know he cheated

and yes ID is terrible, both as post game and as a game mode in general. the challenges help but there is a lot of work that needs to be done

[Bozobub]

Don't forget to wipe up the snot puddle =).

[Kiru]

Yes, ID as it is, is not very good.

-VERY Rng dependend in the first few floors. No good drops? Wrong elite/boss enemy? Sucks to be you. No shops or anything to help you a little bit. Challenges are also too random in terms of rewards, difficulty and so on.
-Bugged. Very bugged. I've seen enough cases of "1/xxx" elimination quests that were incompletable and sometimes enemies also just... die for no reason if you are unlucky.
-Mirror Match is flatout impossible unless you have very specific setups that heavily benefit from preparation. After all it's not even a Mirror Match. You enemy has way way higher stats.

I'd like this to be having easier starts at least, because it's definitely faster to get to the fun part of the game. ID is probably about twice as fast as the campaign. But with the huge risk-factor, the lack of at times absolutely necessary "shops" (i.e. buying combat training or whatever) and such makes it not a very balanced thing.

[Disjointed Sky]

The challenges and random levels helps ID a ton, but Micbran is right.
Even using a character from main story with leveling addon, I went from map level 75 to 87, by this point it gets tedious.
Worst challenge I've encountered has to be Dream Hunter, I accepted this and couldn't get the Level 230 Dreaming Horror below 87% health, ended up just running away. Most of the other challenges are really fun though, even Pacifist and Rush Hour. Haven't run into mirror match yet.

Infinite500 addon adds stores, escorts and tons of extra stuff but is also not compatible with many other addons, it can add some variety: https://te4.org/games/addons/tome/infinite500-game-play-beyond-level-50

I think my order of gameplay variance would be: Main story>Orc DLC>Arena>ID.
I hope they continue to improve Arena and ID though.

[Bozobub]

Oho? Which addons did you find that were not compatible with ID500? I use it, but the only other addon I have is zOmnibus.