Where is the Dominions 4 Workshop on Steam?

[sensatesensei]

I just heard that Desura is going by the wayside and I'm worried that all of those forum posts for cool mods and maps are going to evaporate. Where is the Steam Workshop so the modders can start migrating them over?

[Mormacil]

Most modders refuse to use workshop and a fair share of players refuses to use Steam. While it would be nice I doubt the two man team has time to implement support.

[kristoffer]

I have no experience with the steam workshop whatsoever, but there is a subforum for mods here, and I believe it would work out OK. Modding in dominions is quite easy and I think it would complicate modding for new modders if they would have to work through the workshop (but as I said I have no experience with steam WS, so i might be totally mistaken).

Many of the desura mods can be found here as well. Also the dom4mods forum is active and i think most of the desura mods can be found there as well. There is a link to dom4mods somwhere here on the steam forum.

[Zonk]

There is no workshop for dominions (...yet?).

Also check here: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showforum=21

It should have most of the Desura mods, as Kristoffer says AND some more (In particular, it might have conversions of Dom3 stuff that was not shown on Desura)

[waTTe]

I'm no steam fanboy at all - in fact I hated it for years, cause its implementation ruined the half-life 1 mod- and clan-scene (firearms!), but it is as it is.

Offering us the game here and telling us the game community doesnt largely accept steam and its all so complicated is very strange.

Workshop should be naturally come with every game and is necessary for a mod-friendly one and its one of my biggest demands towards dominions 4.
If there woould be no other reason theres still the missing mods (wheres the moder? no download? its gone, does someone have it) all those probs with third party hosters and moders losing interest. If its on steam it is available.

And setting up a workshop isnt magic, the more for a game like dom with easy mod implementation.

p.s.: As example when I tried to get more maps (was at desura if I remember right) half of the maps were gone.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by waTTe:

Offering us the game here and telling us the game community doesnt largely accept steam and its all so complicated is very strange.

The developers of Illwinter never said that "the game community doesn't accept Steam".

One problem I see with Workshop implementation is the fact that Steam Workshop downloads will NOT work with non-Steam versions of Dominions 4, which can lead to unnecessary confusion -- after all, as it currently is, a modder/mapper can point people to one location to download their files, rather than saying "Steam players can download here, but non-Steam players have to download a seperate file here."

[Tomsdeli]

ive still been hoping that we get a steam workshop for some time anyways.

old mods and maps are no longer avalible as stated.

i also i prefer steam for convenience.

then with desura maybe (i dont know what will happen one way or another) going down its gonna push me to a fan site to get mods now which im less then thrilled about. i wasnt super happy with desura but im less happy with the way it moving then i was about desura. because no one uses the mods forum here.

[Maerlande]

Originally posted by sensatesensei:

I just heard that Desura is going by the wayside and I'm worried that all of those forum posts for cool mods and maps are going to evaporate. Where is the Steam Workshop so the modders can start migrating them over?

Please use a search of this forum before posting. This topic has been discussed many times and there is much information already available. A number of major modders have clearly stated they won't host their mods on Steam so frankly, the workshop is of limited value.

Originally posted by waTTe:

Workshop should be naturally come with every game and is necessary for a mod-friendly one and its one of my biggest demands towards dominions 4.
If there woould be no other reason theres still the missing mods (wheres the moder? no download? its gone, does someone have it) all those probs with third party hosters and moders losing interest. If its on steam it is available..

Saying that you demand the developers do something because you want it isn't likely to get the result you want. Try asking nicely? There are pages and pages of requests for features on Desura and Illwinter has been very responsive in providing what they can in the time they have as part time developers.

[waTTe]

Asking nicely? I think I did ... there is no trolling, no cursing, swearing. or anything like that in my post.
But ... do you know the old saying, that the customer is to be treated like king? I wont sink to my knees and say 'oh my most wonderfull game developers, you took my money and I#m glad of it, I wish it was more, could you please be so kind to deliver some features that would be extraodinary great and of course couldnt be demanded out of you, but your caritative minds might bring it on us like christmass from heaven ... oh please you half-gods with programming skills give us the following ...' 8-)))

Did you have something like this in mind?

Well, I stated my oninion, that steam workshop support should be automatic for a game that claims to support mods and is sold on steam. period.

Of course moders are free to offer what and where they want, ior simply not offer it. I´m part of a Total War mod-team and its not on steam cause of size and reluctance of other members. Thats ok - but not having the option is bad.

[waTTe]

The developers of Illwinter never said that "the game community doesn't accept Steam".

One problem I see with Workshop implementation is the fact that Steam Workshop downloads will NOT work with non-Steam versions of Dominions 4, which can lead to unnecessary confusion -- after all, as it currently is, a modder/mapper can point people to one location to download their files, rather than saying "Steam players can download here, but non-Steam players have to download a seperate file here."

Sorry, but thats simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Really funny that you know that the none-existant steam versions wpnt work. and I'm really wondering why none-steam users should use them ...

I´ve spent dozens of hours an totalwarcenter to help "newbs", "umsecure about windows/their OS people" to implement the mods the right way.

But there are simple ways and solutions to get this right. To my experience there are two main probs:

1. Users that do not know anything and even worse are unwilling or unable to read.

2, Mods posted without any or detailed instructions (also not considering different OS/steam/not steam)

But the existing differences how to install a mod on steam or not steam are really marginable as long as you know half way what your doing and/or are able to follow instructions, and there is no necessarity for differnet files; separate downloads. Despite what you say they will work - its just a thing where and sometimes how to install. In fact the good ole install as admin feature and virtual store with win7 and others causes much more probs than steam.

As far as the devs are concerned you are right, but I was referring to that statement from mormacil:

Most modders refuse to use workshop

sorry for mixing that up.

[sensatesensei]

Okay everyone, calm down... I'll just try to make sure any mods that are only on Desura migrate over to the invisionfree forum. Also, for all you non-steam players (as I was) migrating over was as easy as Menu:Game>Activate a Product on Steam>Punching in my serial that I had for my Desura version. To find out what your serial (CDKey) is in Desura, just right click on Dominions 4 in the Desura broser and enter copy/paste the Key that shows up in the menu there.

[Maerlande]

Sensatesensei, I apologize. You had a legitimate question different than previous ones. A number of fans are working on Desura backups and hosting them until Illwinter has an official solution. Illwinter and the volunteer staff are working on that.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by waTTe:

Really funny that you know that the none-existant steam versions wpnt work.

This is a tested and proven fact -- the only way to download a Steam Workshop mod file if you don't run Steam is to use a third-party program to retrieve the file.[steamworkshopdownloader.com] (and recent rumors suggest that Valve tweaked their file formats to negate that work-around).

Again, like I said, modders could make their files available both on Steam for Workshop users and on a file-hosting site for non-Steam users, but that seems like more work for little benefit. After all, installing mods is INCREDIBLY easy for Dominions 4:

Step 1) Download mod.

Step 2) Move mod to your Dominions 4 "mods" folder.

That's it. That's hardly something you need Workshop to do for you.


I'll agree Workshop is very handy for more complicated programs like Total War, where the user needs to fiddle with command line tweaks and mod compatability, but the cost-to-benefit ratio for Dominions 4 seems very low to me (especially since there already exists other mod-centric Dominions 4 websites, like SensateSensei alluded to.) ;)

[waTTe]

Just to support the 'need' for a workshop:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=430039410

Would need no change to browser, no fidling around with file, no unpacking in some cases", no" is it still there?", no "can I trust this link?" ...