Curse of the Frog Prince

[abidalzim]

My pretender became a frog... Any chance that he came back to normal form... princess kiss?

[Staythecourse]

Sadly no, he's frogged forever. Even if he dies and is brought back, he'll still be a frog. He's never getting back to his original shape, though if he has the paths, he could still use any of the shapechange spells: transformation, twiceborn, etc, in hopes that you get a shape better than a frog.

[Shinuyama]

Your God is a Frog, my friend.

He's one Enlarge away from being a Giant Frog, tho.

Transformation is your best bet here, although exploding into a wight mage isn't a terrible fate either. If this is SP, i'd research Alt9, get him up to S9, and wish for physical power a few times, to make the greatest and most terrifying frog in all the lands.

It's not currently moddable, but an event to reset the form of the frog if they kiss a maiden would be cool.

[Gregstrom]

Resetting forms would require the game to track shapechanges, so I suppose it's unlikely before Dom5 (if ever). Modding an event to change a frog into a handsome prince would be doable (and amusing), I should think.

[Curious]

Curse of the Frog Prince perma frogs pretenders!?
That sounds amazingly powerful against combat pretenders.
On an other note, does the Curse of the Frog Prince remove magical paths as well, or just changes the physical stats to a frog?

[Gregstrom]

Just shape and stats. Paths remain. CotFP is no more powerful than Soul Slay - it's arguably rather less powerful die to precision and range limitations.

[Shinuyama]

Yep. Has to target MR and be quite close and hit, so it's not great compared to say, just Incinerating the PG to death. Very amusing though.

Tracking forms shouldn't be too hard, but it would require the devs as that's not something the game currently does. So it's not moddable (although the generic 'turn into handsome prince' thing sounds hilarious).

[alexsa2015sa]

Hilariously enough, there already exists an uncommon GOOD event which kills one of the frogs and creates prince :) So it's actually more debilitative state for the PG than one might think, since the event doesn't use #transform and straight out kills the pretender.

[Zonk]

Originally posted by hulle41:

Just shape and stats. Paths remain. CotFP is no more powerful than Soul Slay - it's arguably rather less powerful die to precision and range limitations.

A frogged pretender will still be a frog when you recall them (in addition to the pathloss). So it *is* more powerful it at least one way, since it's 100% permanent barring the pretender using Transformation (which won't give them their original form).

Originally posted by alexsa2015sa:

Hilariously enough, there already exists an uncommon GOOD event which kills one of the frogs and creates prince :) So it's actually more debilitative state for the PG than one might think, since the event doesn't use #transform and straight out kills the pretender.

I was about to say 'sounds like a bug, should be reported', but then I remembered that you can't use #transform with troops anyway....

[Shinuyama]

Pretender God: 'I will defeat these other pretenders and TAKE THE SEAT OF THE PANTOKRATOR FOR MYSELF!'

Pretender Frog: 'Oh god, oh god, it's okay, I can still do this. Minions! Prepare yourselves, it's all on you now-'

Prince Dave: 'Why am I seated on this giant magical throne made of spikes and why are people praying to me'

[oldrocker99]

Originally posted by Shinuyama:

Pretender God: 'I will defeat these other pretenders and TAKE THE SEAT OF THE PANTOKRATOR FOR MYSELF!'

Pretender Frog: 'Oh god, oh god, it's okay, I can still do this. Minions! Prepare yourselves, it's all on you now-'

Prince Dave: 'Why am I seated on this giant magical throne made of spikes and why are people praying to me'

[Gregstrom]

Can I petition for new titles to be assigned by the game to any frogged pretender?

Dark Lord of the Millpond
Devourer of Horseflies
The Insectiphage
Master of the Sticky Tongue
He Who Croaked But Did Not Die
Incinerator of Impious Herons
The Lurker in Pond Sludge
Spawner of Light/Spawner of Darkness
The Toadally Terrific

...and so on.

[Curious]

MA Asphodel, their assassin hero (Has nature 2). Saving him up to frog a pretender suddenly seems like an amazing idea.

[Angelo Dante]

Today you men fight for the glory of our warty Lord, the great Pantokroakor!

[Curious]

Originally posted by Angelo Dante:

Today you men fight for the glory of our warty Lord, the great Pantokroakor!

You sir, are a legend for thinking of that.
It begs the question though... Curse of the frog prince OP?
A few more questions by the way; Does it change any traits a commander had (Mound king's undead trait removed for example)?
Does leadership get removed as well?

[Nombrilist]

*Toaday your men fight...

A Mound King is lifeless and undead, so they definitely couldn't transform. Either one of those is enough to prevent "polymorph" effects.

Having said that, any characteristics and stats would change, yes, since they're all tied to unit id. The only things you'd retain are magic, experience, age, name, wounds, curses, and horrormarks.