Wish for a doom horror?

[Ponypony]

I am wondering what happens if you wish for a doom horrror, the manual does not say except to say its "fun", but it doesn't say whether the horror would attack the province (which I don't care much about since they leave next turn anyways), or the pretender itself (which could lose the game).

also, wishing for gems supposedly gives 25 of every gem type except blood slaves. does this include astral pearls?

[Ponypony]

I honestly don't see why this spell is considered to be extremely strong. it gives you efficient gem production if you wish for gems, a rate of 30 gold per gem if you wish for gold, or it can armageddon... you can wish for a pretender chassis but it comes in with the minimal magic paths. You can wish for stats for your pretender, which I guess is good, but youd have to do this several times to really make a huge impact.

[Ponypony]

if you cast transmute fire with a level 6 fire mage you get more gold per gem than if you cast wish with astral pearls. so theres that. You can also wish for dominion, which gives you 1 or 2 candles across 10 or so provinces. arguably not really worth. the only really powerful thing is to wish for a doom horror it seems

[Ponypony]

hmm i thought this would be common knowledge but i guess no one knows. dang, I know supercombatants are powerful but spending 100 gems for one bites me.

[Eldritch Gentleman]

Wish is a very powerful spell. Everyone knows this. I've been in several games decided by Armageddon spam. The only problem with it is its research 9 requirement, and its required astral magic level. Wish has several possibilities (Including suicide). Two of my favourite potential uses of it are to wish for the death of an enemy god or super combatant, which can be quite an effective use, depending on the gems invested. The other use is to wish for friends in an underwater province. The province will recieve a large population buff, taken from another province, and also teleporting every military unit in the province to the UW province. You can wipe out a doomstack with this spell if you're lucky.

[Ica]

Also even though Wish is very powerful, it's not a spell you always want to use even if you can. Wish gives you a lot of options, many of which are either inefficient use of gems or at best very fringe uses. Then there's options like Armageddon which is ridiculously powerful, but most nations in most situations wouldn't want to cast it.

Don't wish for a Doom Horror. As far as I know it doesn't even work anymore, but even in the past it had a high chance of backfiring seriously. If SC is what you want, wish for Seraph. It's probably not a good use of 100 pearls but I've done it sometimes for fun when I've had a decisive lead anyway.

Edit - If I remember right, at least before the latest patch Doom Horrors had a 50% chance of immediately attacking the mage who cast Wish (so probably your pretender).

[Red_Rob]

Originally posted by trademark2:

if you cast transmute fire with a level 6 fire mage you get more gold per gem than if you cast wish with astral pearls. so theres that. You can also wish for dominion, which gives you 1 or 2 candles across 10 or so provinces. arguably not really worth. the only really powerful thing is to wish for a doom horror it seems

Generally people don't wish for Gold or Dominion, and I don't think anyone ever wished for a Doom Horror in a serious game. Wish in general isn't as big a deal in Dom4 as it was in Dom3 due to lower gems, slower high level research and harder booster access. however there a few things that people use wish for:

Armageddon is the best way for a non-blood nation to screw with enemy Blood nations by destroying population. Crippling their slave production without affecting gem income can be a real blow against a Blood economy in full swing, and if you have graduated to using gems for all your troop needs you can usually take the gold hit. Wishing for enemy Uniques that are fully geared up will teleport them to the casters province to fight the army there. This can be used to deny them to opponents during crucial battles, losing a Fog Warriors or Army of Gold caster at the wrong time can be quite decisive. Wishing to kill enemy Pretenders can fulfill a similar function. Wishing for gems can be useful, but is rarely the sole thing you gear up an S9 caster for.

In terms of Wishing for units, as Ica has said the Seraph is the gold standard SC but is rarely the best use of 120 gems. If you really need a flying tanky A4 caster ti could be worth it. Various uniques, heroes, Telkhines etc can also be used to break into any path you want once you have Wish. Getting into a path so late on isn't usually very helpful due to a lack of gem income, but if can gain you access to a big battle spell or have gems you can't use it could be worthwhile.

[Gregstrom]

Wishing as efficient gem conversion is probably the big use in Dom4. Artefact wishes mostly aren't worthwhile any more, and wishing for an enemy unique so you can murder it is occasionally useful. Can't you also wish an enemy Pretender dead though?

[Mormacil]

Any wish that can destroy an army in a fortress?

[Findus]

If you are playing magic enhanced then you can wish for the angels in divine intervention. They are up there with the seraph as well. I think its still not really worth using wish that often.

Atleast its not as bad as ether gate. Those units are really cool but I the price is unbearably high.

[Зачем я здесь?]

I testet wish for horrors, any wish leads to horror attacks caster. Except wish for maker of ruins. If you wish it so in part of cases doom horror will serve you several turns and after it disappears.

[Зачем я здесь?]

Originally posted by Mormacil:

Any wish that can destroy an army in a fortress?

No. You can't kill anyone except yourself. Or population.

[Ica]

Originally posted by Cat-ozelotl:

Originally posted by Mormacil:

Any wish that can destroy an army in a fortress?

No. You can't kill anyone except yourself. Or population.

Also enemy pretenders, though it's not a guaranteed success.

[Nalbem]

Wish used to be strong in Dominions 3 because of gem-generators. Clams of Pearls used to produce 2 pearls per turn that didn't just work in battle but you could store and use in rituals. If you had access to them, a common strategy used to be turtling and spamming wishes for hugely powerful mages, tons of armaggedons, a crapload of gems... Stealing the Chalice to go for Tartarians was also a thing.

Armaggedon is still not a bad option for screwing Blood nations late game.

[zhraia]

As stated wish is not something you want to cast whenever you can, but it has some uses. Soem examples:
When your opponent overcasts some nasty global with his pretender, it would probably cheaper to wish his pretender dead, unless the pretender is something that can survive a kill wish.

If your opponent has a named unit (elemental royalty, father illearth etc) that is kitted out as an expensive SC or is casting some important spell in a big battle, you can wish for it to remove it at a critical point. The unit will attack the province you are in as it's still under your opponents control, but if you wish underwater or prepare to kill the unit, the wish should be worth the cost.

If you wish for gems you get 7x25 gems, if you can use them it's worth it.
If you also have Arcane nexus up, you can spend 100 astral to wish for 175 gems, spend the 150 non astral, get 75 astral back from nexus, now you have 100 astral gems again and a net gain of 150 gems in spells and items. A "somewhat" late game strat.

Some really important or expensive items can be worth wishing for, especially if someone already built it.

[Ponypony]

ok this is all good info. i can see why its considered strong