Автор сообщения: TankTheta

Zoe Quinn wasn't apart of HLD. She was just in special thanks as a backer or such.
Explains the vast difference in tone and vision.

Fair, but I find that people who befriend and cosy up to awful people tend to, themselves, be awful people as well.

Sorry, but no. I want to buy a specific game from you that I WANT - when it's out, - not sponsor mythical future projects that YOU WANT.

Embarrassing for you to come here on Steam asking for money after you took money from Epic Games Store for the Solar Ash exclusive.
Go ask Tim Sweeney for more money, not us users.

Автор сообщения: Red Fox

Автор сообщения: TankTheta

Zoe Quinn wasn't apart of HLD. She was just in special thanks as a backer or such.
Explains the vast difference in tone and vision.

Fair, but I find that people who befriend and cosy up to awful people tend to, themselves, be awful people as well.

Maybe.
But I'd like to think Alex was once a noble guy.
Just got duped and fell into the mud

Автор сообщения: Grog

My guys.

You made a masterpiece DESPITE having Zoe Quinn in your credits.

You then triple down, completely obliterate your own lore, forget what made your games great and then came begging to the fans for a bailout.

AFTER you doubled down on the very stuff that ruined your company.

I will make you a deal, because HLD is truly the greatest of the Indie Era games:

Publicly decry Sweet Baby Inc, Zoe Quinn and Anita Sarkeesian by name. Remove any and ALL DEI initiatives from your game and company, make a proper sequel to HLD with the same style (2D pixelart top down).


You do these things, I will give you my money again. Until then, I watch as your company withers and dies with a smile on my face.

based, QFT

Автор сообщения: Kishiin

God can you weirdos please shut up with this DEI nonsense. A game is either good, or bad. This has nothing to do with who is represented or not.

For one, people who put political signposting before quality storytelling and gameplay have a consistent track record of making ♥♥♥♥ games.
For two, people don't like being preached at when playing their games, watching their movies, or reading their books.

I don't see why this is difficult to understand.

Lotsa people already said lotsa smart stuff, lotsa dumb people still try to fallacy their way into making others believe that lying with snakes and alienating your audience is a good move. While I kinda believe in separating art from the artist, it's getting increasingly hard, as the trend is obvious - HLD, a masterpiece true, is basically an Alx+Disasterpeace lovechild, while SA is... Well, it had potential to become something great, as the elements are still there - great color sense, great music, great boss battles, reminiscent of and yet different from another trailblazer, SotC - and yet it fails to live up to either HLD or SotC, largely due to every character's incessant yapping (not to mention that voice acting is 3/10 at best). Where HLD and SotC knew how to wield silence, SA goes full shonen, and I can't help but think that the change in direction is influenced by investors and journo snakes, so while I dislike the idea of patreon as a whole and paying for promises as its core idea, I would pay for one promise that mr.

Автор сообщения: Grog

Grog

here already elaborated - get up from snake bed and go back to your roots. I don't much care what the next project will be - 2D, 3D, make it 4D - as long as it is YOUR project, not the SourAdult inc. schizoid slop.

Автор сообщения: Red Fox

Автор сообщения: Kishiin

God can you weirdos please shut up with this DEI nonsense. A game is either good, or bad. This has nothing to do with who is represented or not.

For one, people who put political signposting before quality storytelling and gameplay have a consistent track record of making ♥♥♥♥ games.
For two, people don't like being preached at when playing their games, watching their movies, or reading their books.

I don't see why this is difficult to understand.

Heart Machine games have great gameplay tho? Even back with HLD they had pretty minimal storytelling tho

The whole blaming "woke" thing is such a poor argument. Both Dragon Age Inquisition and Baldur's Gate 3 are CRPGs that are pretty "woke" (whatever meaning that has). Trans/nonbinary characters, gay characters, pronoun selection, the whole nine yards. Difference was that DA:I had boring writers and BG3 had great writers, irrespective if both tried to add in progressive themes. There's dozens of factors that add to the quality of a game before you get to "wokeness" on the list

Автор сообщения: SpaghettiMaster

Автор сообщения: Red Fox

For one, people who put political signposting before quality storytelling and gameplay have a consistent track record of making ♥♥♥♥ games.
For two, people don't like being preached at when playing their games, watching their movies, or reading their books.

I don't see why this is difficult to understand.

Heart Machine games have great gameplay tho? Even back with HLD they had pretty minimal storytelling tho

The whole blaming "woke" thing is such a poor argument. Both Dragon Age Inquisition and Baldur's Gate 3 are CRPGs that are pretty "woke" (whatever meaning that has). Trans/nonbinary characters, gay characters, pronoun selection, the whole nine yards. Difference was that DA:V had boring writers and BG3 had great writers, irrespective if both tried to add in progressive themes. There's dozens of factors that add to the quality of a game before you get to "wokeness" on the list

DA:I is more woke than BG3 because BG3 didn't shove it in your face quite so much.
Woke is as woke does. It's a certain... spirit to how things are done.
Gay character in game is not woke. Trans character in game is not woke. Non-binary self-inserts moaning about their mommy issues absolutely is.
BG3 also gets away with its woke points because it's such a banger of a game and so many NPC interactions don't have anything to do with the characters preaching progressive talking points at you that you can more or less ignore it. Whereas Veilguard was seeping with lefty talking points throughout the entire thing. It also didn't help that none of the dialogue in that game felt natural at all.

Woke is not the same as progressive.

Woke is a deliberative and divisive placement of minorities in the privileged positions at the expense of everyone else. Both in terms of a narrative and in terms of corporate HR doing hiring and promotions. It's clear mironity bias over merit and quality.

BG3 is the farthest thing away from it. It's quality first, respect first, art first and merit first.

No matter how much the woke mob tries to smear it as one of their own - nope. BG3 is not woke.

There was a time when terrible people and those who associate with them could hide behind the "correct" politics, and essentially get away with doing awful things. The times seem to be changing, but for better or worse by the time most of the above mentioned people realize how wrong they were, it will be too late for them to get out ahead of it. I thought it would be cathartic and retributive to see this happening, but its really just depressing.

Автор сообщения: TheWindTraveler

There was a time when terrible people and those who associate with them could hide behind the "correct" politics, and essentially get away with doing awful things. The times seem to be changing, but for better or worse by the time most of the above mentioned people realize how wrong they were, it will be too late for them to get out ahead of it. I thought it would be cathartic and retributive to see this happening, but its really just depressing.

Yeah, I'm not happy to see this situation unfold. It's just damn sad, because there's never going to be a genuine moment that he climbs out of that hole when he's that far down.
A bit of melancholy for the pathetic state of a developer who inspired me to make something in my darkest time.

Автор сообщения: kia256

Woke is not the same as progressive.

Woke is a deliberative and divisive placement of minorities in the privileged positions at the expense of everyone else. Both in terms of a narrative and in terms of corporate HR doing hiring and promotions. It's clear mironity bias over merit and quality.

BG3 is the farthest thing away from it. It's quality first, respect first, art first and merit first.

No matter how much the woke mob tries to smear it as one of their own - nope. BG3 is not woke.

Lmao.

Автор сообщения: TheWindTraveler

There was a time when terrible people and those who associate with them could hide behind the "correct" politics, and essentially get away with doing awful things. The times seem to be changing, but for better or worse by the time most of the above mentioned people realize how wrong they were, it will be too late for them to get out ahead of it. I thought it would be cathartic and retributive to see this happening, but its really just depressing.

Having observed this stupid culture war rage on for over a decade now, I've learned that these people will never learn. They'll never realize how wrong they were, and they'll never change position. They only ever double down.

Looks like the gamers™ have all opened their alt-tionaries so they can spout some words that mean nothing! Tomorrow, they just might make up new words to get mad at, how exciting, I'm sure the audience is stoked to see all the new funny words they create!