Game is great. Lightmare Studios is another story

[steelwraith]

I supported this game on Kickstarter at the Vizer level and so had early access. The game itself is very well thought out mechanics wise and I loved the artwork.

However I started having problems when Lightmare started refusing to live up to what they promised their Kickstarter backers (and which they still refuse to honor). As the company apparently has no integrity, I can no longer trust them to uphold their end of any contractual agreement. Which means I also believe that they're fully capably of pulling a gun&run on their customer base and their money at anytime.

So while I would love to say buy this game I can't due to the malfeasance on the part of Lightmare Studios. So caveat emptor if you do decide to give your money to these thieves.

[WinterMute 0101]

Ironically, we should all thank SteelWraith, for his malevolent post is what drew us and the responses are what sold the game to us.

Way to go OP!

[WinterMute 0101]

P.S. That's pro status trolling there!

[steelwraith]

Originally posted by Joe:

I can understand both sides of this. I understand that the OP is coming off as a troll due to his negetive attitude however if I was in his shoes I would be just as upset. Wether it be a miss-understandment on your part or theirs. This isn't the way to go about it. I would tell you the correct way to go about it but to be honest OP you kinda upset me a little. You upset me by coming at Teremus like any of this is his doing. Teremus is a PR (Aka Player Relations). He works under the owners. He is not the owner. Teremus is a great guy and an amazing PR. I say this as he is always on the game helping others and on top of that he even allows people who are not at his throat to add him on Steam. Leave Teremus out of this. -_-

Okay, I'm confused. I didn't bring Teremus up in my original post.. he invited himself into the discussion.. soooo what did I do wrong to him again?

And if being negative makes you a troll then at least I'm in good company with most of the world.

[steelwraith]

Originally posted by Teremus:

I'd prefer not to. For any legal purposes if he were to try and do anything, this thread serves as amazing evidence towards the contrary. If he comes forward and drops the threats he's constantly made I will be happy to close it.

Until that time, all users should be aware of how politely Infinity Wars treats it's players.

Now you're the one putting words in my mouth Teremus.

I don't do see where I've made any threats, I've just imformed you of my plans if we can't come to some form or mutual agreement. I've been more than willing to try and work with Lightmare, but you've been the ones that have refused to communicate with me, probably in the belief that I was just some kid shooting off his mounth. Well I haven't gone away and I'm not going to. I'm still willing to try and work this out but I can't do so when you refuse to communicate.

[Zukureneno]

Originally posted by steelwraith:

Originally posted by Teremus:

I'd prefer not to. For any legal purposes if he were to try and do anything, this thread serves as amazing evidence towards the contrary. If he comes forward and drops the threats he's constantly made I will be happy to close it.

Until that time, all users should be aware of how politely Infinity Wars treats it's players.

Now you're the one putting words in my mouth Teremus.

I don't do see where I've made any threats, I've just imformed you of my plans if we can't come to some form or mutual agreement. I've been more than willing to try and work with Lightmare, but you've been the ones that have refused to communicate with me, probably in the belief that I was just some kid shooting off his mounth. Well I haven't gone away and I'm not going to. I'm still willing to try and work this out but I can't do so when you refuse to communicate.

in other words.... Threats (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threat)

also what your doing is call Blackmail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail.)

also what they give u its greater what you paid for, and u still complain?

ur blackmail: So if you dont get what you want Cause the meaning of Live for u its released and for the developers (The 1ns that call the shots, call the Open-public beta a live version.....) Your plans is to sued them?....

[Alex Core Plus R]

This was kind of funny until I began to suspect OP might be [dealing with a bigger problem here].

You know what, my first comment was maybe a little mean. But still.

[Six]

Originally posted by Ten-Foot Pit:

This was kind of funny until I began to suspect OP might be developmentally delayed.

In all seriousness I think you may be right.

[Muad'Dweeb]

Yep. Just let this thread die. It's sad now.

[Adorabear]

I have a friend you actually IS a lawyer and this guy would get dunked in court and thrown out on his butt so fast. The court would likely order that all his internet pages redirect him to reddit troll threads where he belongs so that he may frollic freely as God intended :D

[Teremus]

Originally posted by steelwraith:

Originally posted by Teremus:

I'd prefer not to. For any legal purposes if he were to try and do anything, this thread serves as amazing evidence towards the contrary. If he comes forward and drops the threats he's constantly made I will be happy to close it.

Until that time, all users should be aware of how politely Infinity Wars treats it's players.

Now you're the one putting words in my mouth Teremus.

I don't do see where I've made any threats, I've just imformed you of my plans if we can't come to some form or mutual agreement. I've been more than willing to try and work with Lightmare, but you've been the ones that have refused to communicate with me, probably in the belief that I was just some kid shooting off his mounth. Well I haven't gone away and I'm not going to. I'm still willing to try and work this out but I can't do so when you refuse to communicate.

Exactly how have we refused to communicate with you? On every single kickstarter update you decided to threaten us with blackmail on, I sat there for days requesting that you e-mail us at [e-mail] so we can see why there is misinformation.

When you did e-mail us, we informed you exactly what the legal parameters of our contract with Kickstarter was and why we have in fact fulfilled the obligations and gave SO MUCH MORE to our backers than we were obligated to.

You then ceased communication and would only speak again when I made another update again threatening us.

We made good on our word. We went live when we gave everyone access to the game. We gave our backers every card they were due, every item they were due, we even went WAY out of our development patch to give our backers more cards, more points, and more items than we originally intended to because we enjoy giving our players a better experience than they would expect from an indie company.

We have had nothing but open communication with you. I have spoken to you plenty of times. You have our e-mail, you have our facebook, you even have mine and our CEO's personal facebook by being a backer.

So forgive me for being confused on how we have refused to have open communication with you when I have given you absolutely nothing other than open communication and complete fairness.

You are one of our players. You are one of our esteemed kickstarter backers. We value every single one of you, hence why I have given you so much courtesy. However, making assumptions that we at any point believed that you were just a kid shooting off his mouth is a horrid and inaccurate representation of who you're dealing with.

You have been given all you are due, you have been given so much more than that, and you have been given courtesy by myself and the rest of our staff through all threats and blackmail we have received.

Please tell me how else we may serve you.

[steelwraith]

Originally posted by Teremus:

Originally posted by steelwraith:

Now you're the one putting words in my mouth Teremus.

I don't do see where I've made any threats, I've just imformed you of my plans if we can't come to some form or mutual agreement. I've been more than willing to try and work with Lightmare, but you've been the ones that have refused to communicate with me, probably in the belief that I was just some kid shooting off his mounth. Well I haven't gone away and I'm not going to. I'm still willing to try and work this out but I can't do so when you refuse to communicate.

Exactly how have we refused to communicate with you? On every single kickstarter update you decided to threaten us with blackmail on, I sat there for days requesting that you e-mail us at [e-mail] so we can see why there is misinformation.

When you did e-mail us, we informed you exactly what the legal parameters of our contract with Kickstarter was and why we have in fact fulfilled the obligations and gave SO MUCH MORE to our backers than we were obligated to.

You then ceased communication and would only speak again when I made another update again threatening us.

We made good on our word. We went live when we gave everyone access to the game. We gave our backers every card they were due, every item they were due, we even went WAY out of our development patch to give our backers more cards, more points, and more items than we originally intended to because we enjoy giving our players a better experience than they would expect from an indie company.

We have had nothing but open communication with you. I have spoken to you plenty of times. You have our e-mail, you have our facebook, you even have mine and our CEO's personal facebook by being a backer.

So forgive me for being confused on how we have refused to have open communication with you when I have given you absolutely nothing other than open communication and complete fairness.

You are one of our players. You are one of our esteemed kickstarter backers. We value every single one of you, hence why I have given you so much courtesy. However, making assumptions that we at any point believed that you were just a kid shooting off his mouth is a horrid and inaccurate representation of who you're dealing with.

You have been given all you are due, you have been given so much more than that, and you have been given courtesy by myself and the rest of our staff through all threats and blackmail we have received.

Please tell me how else we may serve you.

Becasue I no longer wish to be one of your customers OR Kickstater backers. I've haven't wanted to be one for over eight months now. I've asked for either what what promised during the Kickstater, or a refund of my pledge. Either outcome would make me 'go away' as I wouldn't have anything else to do with Lightmare.

[Adorabear]

Originally posted by steelwraith:

Becasue I no longer wish to be one of your customers OR Kickstater backers. I've haven't wanted to be one for over eight months now. I've asked for either what what promised during the Kickstater, or a refund of my pledge. Either outcome would make me 'go away' as I wouldn't have anything else to do with Lightmare.

Do you realise how illogical you sound. "Im trying to go away but I cant because I want you to give me more cards to play the game with... the game that im not going to have anything to do with"

[Sanjuru]

Originally posted by steelwraith:

Originally posted by Teremus:

Exactly how have we refused to communicate with you? On every single kickstarter update you decided to threaten us with blackmail on, I sat there for days requesting that you e-mail us at [e-mail] so we can see why there is misinformation.

When you did e-mail us, we informed you exactly what the legal parameters of our contract with Kickstarter was and why we have in fact fulfilled the obligations and gave SO MUCH MORE to our backers than we were obligated to.

You then ceased communication and would only speak again when I made another update again threatening us.

We made good on our word. We went live when we gave everyone access to the game. We gave our backers every card they were due, every item they were due, we even went WAY out of our development patch to give our backers more cards, more points, and more items than we originally intended to because we enjoy giving our players a better experience than they would expect from an indie company.

We have had nothing but open communication with you. I have spoken to you plenty of times. You have our e-mail, you have our facebook, you even have mine and our CEO's personal facebook by being a backer.

So forgive me for being confused on how we have refused to have open communication with you when I have given you absolutely nothing other than open communication and complete fairness.

You are one of our players. You are one of our esteemed kickstarter backers. We value every single one of you, hence why I have given you so much courtesy. However, making assumptions that we at any point believed that you were just a kid shooting off his mouth is a horrid and inaccurate representation of who you're dealing with.

You have been given all you are due, you have been given so much more than that, and you have been given courtesy by myself and the rest of our staff through all threats and blackmail we have received.

Please tell me how else we may serve you.

Becasue I no longer wish to be one of your customers OR Kickstater backers. I've haven't wanted to be one for over eight months now. I've asked for either what what promised during the Kickstater, or a refund of my pledge. Either outcome would make me 'go away' as I wouldn't have anything else to do with Lightmare.

Seems like you need a long break from the Internet.

[Zukureneno]

Originally posted by Adorabear:

Originally posted by steelwraith:

Becasue I no longer wish to be one of your customers OR Kickstater backers. I've haven't wanted to be one for over eight months now. I've asked for either what what promised during the Kickstater, or a refund of my pledge. Either outcome would make me 'go away' as I wouldn't have anything else to do with Lightmare.

Do you realise how illogical you sound. "Im trying to go away but I cant because I want you to give me more cards to play the game with... the game that im not going to have anything to do with"

^what u said
and u know whats the best? They already gave him everything + More than they promised in the backer page lmao.....

so how can he ask for more and moar? when he already recieved what was promised + more than that making the value rise a lot? lol

all this fuzz his creating to call attention is making me want to spend more money to the devs lol

[Pothocket]

I glanced through this topic and is it me or did OP not even explain how the developer is not meeting their promises?