At what level would you recommend fighting Liches?

[The Hermit]

How do I prevent them from using their Time Stop spell? As soon as he does that, he queues up a ton of powerful spells and just lays waste to me as if I'm nothing. My PC is an Inquisitor, level 9, and my level 18 dispel isn't strong enough to penetrate his shielding (as he is uninjured no matter how many of how +3 weapons hit him). I suppose I must wait until later, but how much later? Also, any strategies to deal with him.

[DnD Detective]

A weapon I just thought of thats pretty easy to acquire as well is the Flaming Tongue: The Burning Earth +1. You can get it by dealing with the Druids in the Druid Grove. Despite its name and description it doesn't do fire damage but it does hit as a +4 weapon and does extra damage vs undead. Its a pretty easy weapon to acquire as well and the experience you get while going through that area won't hurt either.

[The Hermit]

Finally killed that accursed Demilich with the +5 slingshot, used the cape to produce +5 darts, and the Ring of Ram to eventually kill him. Most satisfying victory yet!

[Qiox]

2 weapons available early on for +4:

1) You can buy the Staff of Rhynn +4 from a vendor in the Adventurer's Mart in Promenade.

2) You can loot for free the Warhammer +1, +4 vs giantkin. And Kangaxx is considered a giant activated the +4 on this weapon. This can be looted by doing the quest Nalia gives you to clear the trolls from her home.

[DarkExcalibur42]

Unless EE fixed it Daystar hits as a +2 weapon.

Fighting liches? Polymorph self MUSTARD JELLY! HAhahahah! 100% Magic Resistance.

Also when Minsc goes berserk he's immune to imprisonment. That's how I killed a demilich in Watcher's Keep. Minsc solo-ed it.

And the Ring of the Ram ignores spell resistance and damage resistance and seems to ignore all protection spells for up to 30 damage. That'll shorten any fight.

[kaffekoppen]

Daystar isn't for actually hitting the liches. It's for the Sunray ability and that definitely *can* hit Kangaxx. In fact, 2 x Sunray (one from Daystar and one from Viccy) nuked the lich form of Kangaxx right away when I last killed him.

After that, just place anything with a Death Ward and immunity to Imprisonment next to Kangaxx and hit him with any +4 weapons you have.

[SupidSeep]

There are still cheesy means that work in BG2TOEE. Ribald's shop sells 2 x Protection from Magic scrolls that are powerful and long lasting but there are only 2 such scrolls. There are legit ways to reuse them however. and combine that with a +4 weapon and Kangaxx is a cakewalk.

[DarkExcalibur42]

You ask Jackie Chan's Uncle for help.

"AAAAAyyyyyaaahhhh!!! MAGIC must defeat magic!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-qLC_ptImo

Scrolls of Protection from Unded would not go amiss here either.

Don't forget: sometimes the best person to use Protection from Magic on is your opponent.

[DarkExcalibur42]

*Sigh* After REPEATED tests I can now confirm that Minsc's Berserker status NO LONGER grants immunity to Imprisonment.

Or at the very least it does not grant immunity to Imprisonment as cast by Kangaxx. This irritates me because there really are almost no ways to defend against this spell with no save. >:\

Imprisonment is by far the lamest way to lose a fight.

Side note: If you have Yoshimo or another bounty hunter with you, trap spam his spawn location. And Melf's Minute Meteors count as +5 Weapons.

[kaffekoppen]

I thought it was supposed to work against Imprisonment. In any case a mage is the best tank here because you can cast protection from abjuration. No scrolls needed, and you can memorize enough for the whole fight.

[DarkExcalibur42]

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Publicado originalmente por Minsc:

How do I upgrade FoA to +4? If I can do that, then I won't need the Slingshot.

Even though you can get the poison (4th) head for it in SoA (in Watcher's Keep) you can't actually upgrade it until ToB. There may be a mod out there that lets you do it I can't say.

I'm plotting to make a mod to add Cespenar to SoA via a quest. Until then if you have the cheats enabled, do this:

CLUAConsole:CreateCreature("BOTSMITH")

That will spawn Cespenar. Pick a good place you don't mind visiting. Seriously, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to combine the items you find from Watcher's Keep. Most of the good components are in ToB anyway, but I hate lugging around all my Watcher's Keep loot through the save games.

[DarkExcalibur42]

Publicado originalmente por kaffekoppen:

I thought it was supposed to work against Imprisonment. In any case a mage is the best tank here because you can cast protection from abjuration. No scrolls needed, and you can memorize enough for the whole fight.

It IS supposed to work... that's what's irking me. And it worked for me just fine on a previous demi-lich. Maybe Kangy is just special.

And yes... As Uncle said, magic must defeat magic... *sigh* Yep, I should go Mage assault. Problem is I can't leave Neera alone with Kangaxx. That room is a "You must gather your party" instance.

Anyhow, when in doubt mustard jelly or invisibility.

EDIT: JEEZ! Okay, nevermind. He targeted Minsc through invisibility and imprisoned him again. He REALLY hates Minsc! This is the 8th time he's been imprisoned.

[kaffekoppen]

You can have your whole party in there. If Neera is the one closes to him when he spawns, he'll attack her.

The problem I had was that my protection spell ran out while I was casting a new one so I wasted one attempt because he imprisoned me in the .005 second window he had.

To be on the *really* safe side, only have your mage next to him and use ranged to beat him. I used the +5 sling you can buy.

[DarkExcalibur42]

Good news everyone!

Even though the Lich is immune to poison damage, his spell casting will still be interrupted by taking damage from poison inflicted by Yoshimo's traps (granted the amount of damage he takes is zero, but zero is still a number).

[DarkExcalibur42]

For crap's sake! Since when did Imprisonment ignore magic resistance? I swear it used to be if you had 100% MR you couldn't be hit by Imprisonment...

Okay, I give. He's bank-shotting imprisonment around the sarcophagus to Imprison Yoshimo now (since I was one Protection from Undead scroll short for the poor guy). I'm gonna call that a "win" and come back for Yoshimo later...

[DnD Detective]

Publicado originalmente por DarkExcalibur42:

Unless EE fixed it Daystar hits as a +2 weapon.

In BG2EE I think there was more of an effort to have any weapon that gives a bonus against a certain enemy, like Daystar or the Burning Earth, treat its enchantment level as though it is the higher value. As far as I'm aware this change was also part of the BG2 Fixpack core fixes. It doesn't always work like this however. Dragon's Bane +3, Foebane +3, Foebane +5, Jerrod's mace, Flame of the North+2, and the Rod of Smiting all hit based on whatever Thac0 benefit they have. Its not particularly consistent either way.

Anyways, Daystar in BG2EE does hit as if it was a +4 weapon regardless of the enemy you are attacking.