Too Powerful

[danconnors]

I find I can't maintain interest in The Throne of Bhaal. The characters have become just TOO powerful. There is literally nothing that can stand up to my berserker/mage. Just for drill I let the courtesan in Saradush tempt him into the catacombs. There he was jumped by 4 or 5 vampires simultaneously.

It was't even a fight; it was a slaughter. Crom Feyer gives him strength 25, and some single blows from it killed a vampire. He's wearing the ring of Kangaxx the demilich, so when the massacre was over he didn't even need to swallow a potion of healing. His amulet of power prevented level drains. His shield of harmony meant he couldn't be charmed or held or panicked. His mirror cloak deflected all damaging spells.

Baldur's Gate was immensely more interesting, where every magical weapon found was a gold mine. In Throne, you can just walk into a store and pick up a +3 weapon of any sort for what amounts to pocket change. Baldur's Gate 2 held my interest. While you had become more powerful, so had your enemies. I think the producers rushed TOB out the door, so they could start the Neverwinter Nights series. I wish they had spent more time on it.

[Mhblis]

It is actually not a symptom of the game as much as the system. At those types of levels the characters are expect to be moving into Godhood and very little really gave them much trouble in that sense. The EE and Throne of Bhaal made it worse in the way it dealt with the experience cap in my experience. The level cap limited certain class combinations which causes many of those issues.

Playing through I found the general fights to be a dawdle and the boss fights to be the complete opposites.

Also the weapons in BG2 are as you pointed out incredibly powerful more so than you would have seen in the table top version. And much much more abundent.
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Lets not be coy though BG1 had the same problem in a few places where certain combinations and items became game breaking. I actually found the first few fights in BG1 to be a challenge but it did become a dodle after that.

[Zilkin]

This is why most BG2 veterans play using mods. Eg. SCS is a good way of enhancing the combat.

[happy]

throne of bhaal is of little interest, D&D is fun on low levels

[Demon of Elru]

Originally posted by happy:

throne of bhaal is of little interest, D&D is fun on low levels

This is a joke right?

[Chavinchi]

Is this your first time playing? Because from the way you're decked out it seems like you've either played before or are heavily spoiled. I would be hooked simply to know how the story ends, but that doesn't apply if it's a replay.

[BELEDOZ]

Agree, that why i prefer BG1~

[ÄmJii]

Originally posted by perfect:

Is this your first time playing? Because from the way you're decked out it seems like you've either played before or are heavily spoiled. I would be hooked simply to know how the story ends, but that doesn't apply if it's a replay.

I wouldn't pay attention to him, danconnors just likes to complain for the sake of complaining.

[Raell]

Originally posted by Demon of Elru:

Originally posted by happy:

throne of bhaal is of little interest, D&D is fun on low levels

This is a joke right?

No.. Not everyone is a power gamer. D&D and most RPGs in general are most fun early on.

[Seyren 'D' Windsor]

Really, how difficult a game is corresponds to the way you approach and learn it. Make no mistake - Throne of Bhaal still presents a serious challenge but those familiar with the ruleset can easily circumnavigate and trivalise many difficult fights.

At this point for you, it's kind of like asking why the ice cream is so sweet after you just finished an entire tub. It's better to rest the game, forget it somewhat and come back to relearn it. Even then, it's still going to be easy in which case, as the earlier posters have suggested, look to mods to customise your experience.

[Gnasher]

Throne of Bhaal was an add on not a stand alone game so you have to remeber you are limited to what they were putting into the game. I think they knew this when they made it and thats why they added in Watchers Keep. Some of the fights in that tower were not easy.

Also if you find it too easy why not increase the difficulty?
Or only out-fit your party with "Normal" weapons, the results are interesting.

[WARBOSS KRUMP]

Originally posted by Sephiroth (UNFD):

Or only out-fit your party with "Normal" weapons, the results are interesting.

"No effect!? I need bigger sword?!"

[kaiyl_kariashi]

A lot of the problems arise from most of the limiting factors of magic being removed or downplayed, kits or high level abilities being absolutely broken (most of which for no good reason as they could've been properly adapted), or yes, the game throwing near Artifact quality gear at you willy-nilly with little to no effort.

With some comprehenive mod work to correct (or remove entirely if correction proves impossible) the game's level of challenge is far more accurate to what it should be, rather then simply buffing enemies with even more broken abilties to try and compensate for broken mechanics/spells/abilties that needed to be fixed first before other changes are added.


But as for ToB itself...it is EXTREMELY bland. It was supposed to be a full third game, but because of various circumstances requiring it being pushed out ahead of time, all we got the was the bare bones minimum content for the main story, and what few side quests just happen to take place in those areas.

Not to mention all the plot-holes and contradictions.

[Demon of Elru]

Originally posted by Cruentus:

Originally posted by Demon of Elru:

This is a joke right?

No.. Not everyone is a power gamer. D&D and most RPGs in general are most fun early on.

Yeah I thought this was a joke.