Aligment change after trials in hell...

[TheOneWhoSeeks]

To sum up everything before i even start... This alignment change makes no sense!

I have to point out that i don't know how it works for evil characters.
Let us look through all the trials we have to face.

1. Test of Pride
Probably the one making no sense sing event good characters should be allowed to fail it... Just think:
Paladin enters the chamber.
Demon: -there if evil beast holding tear of baal. You need to defeat it.
Paladin: -No evil will stand in my way!
You kill dragon and? You're done. You have chaotic evil Paladin even if you passed all other tests. Let's face it most of lawful good NPC's are kind of proud.This is more like test of wisdom/intelligence that test of pride.

2. Test of Fear
It's clear that Lawful and neutral good character should not take the cloak but chaotic good?
Not taking the cloak won't bring Nymphs back to life, Taking it will help you defeat greater evil. So is it really that eveil to take it? Or is it rather smart (you do not necessarily like the solution)?

3. Test of Selfishness
Well this is not that bad. Actually only (except evil) chaotic neutral Should be allowed to fail it at it is a type of person that depends on himself mostly so why would such person sacrifice his/her skills for sake of other?

4. Test of Greed
Here similar argumentation as for Test of Fear should be used. Even more, as from dialogue we learn that both killing Genie and giving him blade WILL free him. So why (especially chaotic) player wouldn't do good thing and free him and gain more power to defeat greater evil?

5. Test of Wrath
Here we have similar problem as in Test of Pride. Even good characters give up to wrath sometimes. But that does not mean they are all that evil.

In the and even as chaotic neutral character you will end up chaotic evil if you fail even once...
Do you think it is really all right?
To add an insult to an injury rewards for some tests are really not fair. E.g. the last one 2STR vs 1WIS and 1CHA? Really? First test - Exp and some items that you can gain elsewhere vs 20% resistances? Or third test: +2CON vs immunity to +1 or weaker weapons when no enemy uses such weapons any more?


So what do you guys think about it? Maybe some patch would be welcome or at least mod making ale those trial more logical and reasonable?

[ellisD]

Originally posted by TheOneWhooSeeks:

3. Test of Selfishness
"Well this is not that bad. Actually only (except evil) chaotic neutral Should be allowed to fail it at it is a type of person that depends on himself mostly so why would such person sacrifice his/her skills for sake of other?"

Lol. I don't think you are as "good" as you think you are. Good people do very regularly make sacrifices for the benifit of others.

It's a real tough trial but you are, quite literally, going through hell. It should be rough. On the other hand, I played this game so much, it's real hard for me to think the trials being any else. They didn't make perfect sense at the time but I didn't think too much of it.

[Hjelpmooglene]

I think someone mentioned this awhile ago, paladins are not allowed to make deals or accept help from demon's. In fact, any good character would be wise to be careful when dealing with demon's.

[ellisD]

Originally posted by SaveTheKupo:

I think someone mentioned this awhile ago, paladins are not allowed to make deals or accept help from demon's. In fact, any good character would be wise to be careful when dealing with demon's.

That is a very good point.

[robomagon]

Originally posted by ellisD:

Originally posted by TheOneWhooSeeks:

3. Test of Selfishness
"Well this is not that bad. Actually only (except evil) chaotic neutral Should be allowed to fail it at it is a type of person that depends on himself mostly so why would such person sacrifice his/her skills for sake of other?"

Lol. I don't think you are as "good" as you think you are. Good people do very regularly make sacrifices for the benifit of others.

It's a real tough trial but you are, quite literally, going through hell. It should be rough. On the other hand, I played this game so much, it's real hard for me to think the trials being any else. They didn't make perfect sense at the time but I didn't think too much of it.

But neutral people don't.

[TheOneWhoSeeks]

Originally posted by SaveTheKupo:

I think someone mentioned this awhile ago, paladins are not allowed to make deals or accept help from demon's. In fact, any good character would be wise to be careful when dealing with demon's.

That's why I said it's more like test of wisdom than test of pride. Not to mention how paladins met in Windspear Hills were extremely wise...

Originally posted by robomagon:

Originally posted by ellisD:

Lol. I don't think you are as "good" as you think you are. Good people do very regularly make sacrifices for the benifit of others.

It's a real tough trial but you are, quite literally, going through hell. It should be rough. On the other hand, I played this game so much, it's real hard for me to think the trials being any else. They didn't make perfect sense at the time but I didn't think too much of it.

But neutral people don't.

And especially chaotic neutral ;-)

[chango.fandango]

I think its because Bhaal is essentially and evil deity so the taint within you is essentially evil. You have to fight it tooth and nail to keep it undercheck. There is plenty of ways for you to slip while no way to ascend in Hell. I kind of think its well done. Tears of Bhaal should not make you good if you take good actions.

[chango.fandango]

In the end those alignment doesn't affect anything except if your a paladin you can become fallen.