Is it true the enhanced edition is full of SJW propaganda?

[Zeriel00]

Hello, I'm interested in buying the game but I heard a rumor that the devs hired a new writer that put a lot of SJW propaganda in the story? I don't mean to star a flame war, I don't care what people's political agenda's are, everyone has a right to believe what they want. I just don't want this ♥♥♥♥ in a classic RPG, that I didn't get to play the first time. I play games for fun only and I just heard this rumor and want to know if it's true.

Again don't mean to star a flame war or political discussion, just want to know if it's true or not.

Thanks for your help

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Setzway původně napsal:

A Goblin NPC making a Racism Joke. (Initially I was offended because of how out-of-left-field it was but after cooling off and talking with friends about it, it was probably meant as tongue-in-cheek)

This is about the NPC companion M'Khiin - she's a goblin shaman. If you poke her with the mouse pointer as if selecting a goblin for an attack, she says some things just like all other companions. M'Khiin is one of the better companions in the DLC, btw.

[Morphic]

D'amarr from Darshiva původně napsal:

Setzway původně napsal:

A Goblin NPC making a Racism Joke. (Initially I was offended because of how out-of-left-field it was but after cooling off and talking with friends about it, it was probably meant as tongue-in-cheek)

This is about the NPC companion M'Khiin - she's a goblin shaman. If you poke her with the mouse pointer as if selecting a goblin for an attack, she says some things just like all other companions. M'Khiin is one of the better companions in the DLC, btw.

First; I know, I played the game, thanks.

Second;

D'amarr from Darshiva původně napsal:

M'Khiin is one of the better companions in the DLC, btw.

is purely your opinion.

Third: last I checked people like Keldorn, Jaheira etc. do not make racist references/jokes when you click on them or tell them to attack something. Though I think Edwin and Viconia make comments along a similar vein.

Lastly; like I said, after talking it over with friends, I realize it was intended as a Tongue-in-Cheek joke. Your post makes it seem like you merely want to hand wave it away; which I find inappropiate for the situation. It was an issue people had with SoD's content. Unfortunately people who had "legitimate" viewpoints(such as Mizhena being a poor representation of LGBT people) was quickly overshadowed by childish Flamebaiters that wanted to devolve into South Park-esque debates.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Zeriel00 původně napsal:

I don't need to know my character is transgender or Bisexual or whatever I just want to enjoy my game without political point of views mixed in, Is that so much to ask?

Problematic. You may have "heard" that you can start a romance with NPC companions in these games. There are a couple of same-sex options, and some with no racial restrictions. Eventually you would find out about whether a companion is straight, bi, lesbian/gay, whatever.

http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Romance

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Setzway původně napsal:

Your post makes it seem like you merely want to hand wave it away; which I find inappropiate for the situation.

Find whatever you find appropriate. It has been discussed a couple of times in various places. It's hard to find many people, who are offended by that funny joke line M'Khiin says. Some are immersion breaking (Watch thee where thy place that pointer! says Dynaheir in the old game), some strange (Who art thou to touch me like you know me?! says Dynaheir in the old game), some weird, others funny.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/257350/discussions/0/154642321534102217/#c154642447915339364

[Zeriel00]

I got my question asnwered, I'll buy the main game when I get paid and skip the DLC, thanks for all the help, now let's stop arguing pls...

[Armanz]

So basically half of the reasons you complain about, is stuff that Amber Scott and others *said* *about* the game.

The rest is minor ♥♥♥♥, except for the GamerGate thing; that was dumb, yeah.

[Googalabon]

I just finished playing this new expansion (longtime bg1 and 2 fan, but really glad at not having to juggle 8 discs). Outside of mizhena I never noticed anything jarring, granted I didn't read EVERYthing thrown at me but I would say I read through 95%+, but unless I stopped at this thread I would never have known this was a thing.

Actually found the expansion to be pretty cool, my favorite part was more tailored loot. (I see you sweet swashbuckler belt!) But the writing did not detract from anything what-so-ever for me. And it slipped inbetween bg1 and 2 pretty nicely.

Long story short, unless you cloud watch with a particular shape in mind you probably won't notice this.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Minsc is one reason to play SOD eventually. Not limited to banter like this:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=774036052
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=684553503
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=684553622

[Morphic]

Armanz původně napsal:

So basically half of the reasons you complain about, is stuff that Amber Scott and others *said* *about* the game.

The rest is minor ♥♥♥♥, except for the GamerGate thing; that was dumb, yeah.

I was merely stating the general jist of what people found offensive and took issue with. Then I added my own opinion over each subject.

That's why I said my biggest issue was Amber Scott because I felt she was the sole issue. To me, it came across like Beamdog let her run wild without questioning her and her additions; which is negligent.

IMO, if you take out Amber Scott and the stuff she was allowed to do ... literally Beamdog did nothing wrong; aside from Minsc's GamersGate reference which they quickly redacted. Beamdog's work fixing bugs, updating resolutions, compatibility etc. was quite welcome. The UI is a mixed bag since it comes down to preference. That's why I praise Beamdog for their technical work in EEs of Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale(oh man did they do good there) and recently Planescape: Torment.

TLDR: SoD is still a pretty solid DLC, especially if you take out the "hot topics" that were in it. Basically if you enjoyed BG1 then you should enjoy SoD. I mean, it isn't like stuff was crammed down your throat or the writing made you feel bad for believing in something different than their writers .... unlike some other games.

[Armanz]

I was merely stating the general jist of what people found offensive and took issue with. Then I added my own opinion over each subject.

That's why I said my biggest issue was Amber Scott because I felt she was the sole issue. To me, it came across like Beamdog let her run wild without questioning her and her additions; which is negligent.

IMO, if you take out Amber Scott and the stuff she was allowed to do ... literally Beamdog did nothing wrong; aside from Minsc's GamersGate reference which they quickly redacted. Beamdog's work fixing bugs, updating resolutions, compatibility etc. was quite welcome. The UI is a mixed bag since it comes down to preference. That's why I praise Beamdog for their technical work in EEs of Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale(oh man did they do good there) and recently Planescape: Torment.

TLDR: SoD is still a pretty solid DLC, especially if you take out the "hot topics" that were in it. Basically if you enjoyed BG1 then you should enjoy SoD. I mean, it isn't like stuff was crammed down your throat or the writing made you feel bad for believing in something different than their writers .... unlike some other games.

Agree with that for 100%,

[fauxpas]

Eh, "listen and believe" in regards to the murderess you catch dumping her husband's body ... with the Ward dictating to the player what they think via the journal deserves to be on that list as well as "you wanted your gold we needed it" side quest where the refugees mugged and beat a man where once again, the Ward preaches to the player in the journal entry.


But as I've said before even if you remove every last bit of SJW nonsense (and to be quite frank, pointing at Miz is simply a distraction tactic that the blind apologists use) the writing itself is slash-fic quality at best with a rare gem thrown in once in awhile. (The Imoen scenes are actually fairly well written and touching even if the explanation for why she can't adventure with you anymore is asinine. )

[Drinkcup]

Armanz původně napsal:

It's complete and utter nonsense. There's a transgender character in SoD (a minor character you only have a small conversation with) and the character is a bit straight forward and imho unfitting in the way he/she/it talks about being transgender but that's basically it. Some cavemen from 1500BC made a big fuss about it for whatever reason and now some people actually think SoD is SJW or whatever.

BG2 EE doesn't have any of that (if you can even call it *that* because again, it's basically nothing). I highly suggest ignoring anybody complaining about SJW crap and just buy the game (or don't, but SJW stuff isn't a legit reason not to). The BG series are insanely good and you should definitely play them. You can ofc still get the originals and mod them up a bit to have a less outdated interface etc. Personally I recommend the EE's, though.

because you're a dirty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sjw

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Setzway původně napsal:

That's why I said my biggest issue was Amber Scott because I felt she was the sole issue. To me, it came across like Beamdog let her run wild without questioning her and her additions; which is negligent.

You make it sound as if her fellow developers and beta testers have noticed oddities in the game during development but couldn't influence it. Is that so?

fauxpas původně napsal:

Eh, "listen and believe" in regards to the murderess you catch dumping her husband's body ... with the Ward dictating to the player what they think via the journal deserves to be on that list

The game or journal doesn't "dictate" anything in that tiny side-quest. That horse has been beaten to death. If player doesn't stop thinking during conversation with Aileen, player should realize that something is fishy, and the journal popup even gives a hint that player may want to report her to the Flaming Fist.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672205718

[fauxpas]

D'amarr from Darshiva původně napsal:

fauxpas původně napsal:

Eh, "listen and believe" in regards to the murderess you catch dumping her husband's body ... with the Ward dictating to the player what they think via the journal deserves to be on that list

The game or journal doesn't "dictate" anything in that tiny side-quest. That horse has been beaten to death. If player doesn't stop thinking during conversation with Aileen, player should realize that something is fishy, and the journal popup even gives a hint that player may want to report her to the Flaming Fist.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=672205718

Still on the same tired old song and dance where you willfully try to pretend that the Journal Entry which I've got a screen shot of doesn't exist and only aknowledge the pop up? ... Keep trying D, maybe someday you'll actually stumble into a valid argument that doesn't require lying on your part.

[Julius Borisov]

Zeriel00 původně napsal:

I got my question asnwered, I'll buy the main game when I get paid and skip the DLC, thanks for all the help, now let's stop arguing pls...

Closing the thread to stop further arguing.

@Zeriel00 Thanks for deciding to buy the game.

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