安装 Steam
登录
|
语言
繁體中文（繁体中文）
日本語（日语）
한국어（韩语）
ไทย（泰语）
български（保加利亚语）
Čeština（捷克语）
Dansk（丹麦语）
Deutsch（德语）
English（英语）
Español-España（西班牙语 - 西班牙）
Español - Latinoamérica（西班牙语 - 拉丁美洲）
Ελληνικά（希腊语）
Français（法语）
Italiano（意大利语）
Bahasa Indonesia（印度尼西亚语）
Magyar（匈牙利语）
Nederlands（荷兰语）
Norsk（挪威语）
Polski（波兰语）
Português（葡萄牙语 - 葡萄牙）
Português-Brasil（葡萄牙语 - 巴西）
Română（罗马尼亚语）
Русский（俄语）
Suomi（芬兰语）
Svenska（瑞典语）
Türkçe（土耳其语）
Tiếng Việt（越南语）
Українська（乌克兰语）
报告翻译问题
讨论规则及指引
举报此帖
I also think the shaman is underrated as well. It's very unique and a different kind of playstyle, so if you're REALLY looking to shake things up (shaman dance? eh? eh?) I say give it a shot.
I don't know if you're a veteran BG player or not, but I HIGHLY recommend you stay away from any and all powergamer advice. To a powergamer, every class should melee like a fighter and cast like a sorcerer, and anything less is worthless. They literally use the word worthless. Stay away from that crap. There's nothing to learn anyway- we all know dual anything is the strongest. Unless you like reading about how the kensage is great for the 102546444365264th time.
he said they were very weak but he enjoyed playing them.
Thieves are a difficult class to play. They go through stages of development: they basically start off as archers who can open locks and disable traps, then once their stealth skills become good enough they can start backstabbing things, then the enemies start becoming immune to backstabs but they get epic traps and the ability to use scrolls and wands so they end up as pseudomages.
For characters who can't cast spells they have crappy THAC0 progression (3 better than Mage) and no extra APR. If you have them dual wield the extra APR weapons they can be respectable meleers (well the Swashbuckler can). But more than the other classes, they are what they use. You need to know where to find the equipment that makes them strong.
As for the kits:
- The Shadowdancer is really strong in BG, but it gets weaker as enemies start being able to detect hidden characters and get immune to backstab.
- The Bounty Hunter is a wierd one. It gets extra traps, but at around level 16 the trap changes from doing damage to immobilizing and protecting the target (it's an advantage in that they're out of the fight for a while, but a disadvantage since you can't hurt them while they're out of the fight).
- The Assassin gets cheated. By the time you get the higher multiplier the enemies start getting backstab immunity. You end up missing out on thief skill points, with no pay off.
- The Swashbuckler is basically a Kensai who can wear armor. You miss out on backstabs, but you end up with a +8 to damage, hit and AC. The Kensai ends up with a +9 to damage and hit for comparison, but also can get Grand Mastery. The downside is one 1 APR (2 with dual wielding) with the right equipment you can get them up to 4.5 APR (which can be doubled to 9 with Improved Haste) but that's using +3 weapons (and there are a handful of enemies who you'll need better than that to damage).
The Swashbuckler followed by the Shadowdancer are probably the strongest of the kits. After that it's probably the basic unkitted thief.If you just played the Mage, avoid the Bard unless you want more of the same. It's basically playing a Fighter/Mage who doesn't get the extra APR or high level spells the Fighter/Mage gets.
I'll see myself out.
that must be a sight to behold.
The details are here: http://steamcommunity.com/app/228280/discussions/0/1621724915795905242/?ctp=2
And just kill the rest of the enemies with dual-speed weapons.
80% of enemies can be hit by +2. about 19% can be hit by +3.
Only about 6 enemies in whole game need +4, and only 1 needs +5.
Some spells can temporarily grant enemies higher immunity but they only last a few rounds and you can wait them out. Or just use a wand of spellstrike or breach them.
i guess i'm into spells, and always will be. but i'd be able to play a PC mage and use a different class for my main character. i enjoy thieves too. i did try having Rasaad in my party, but i found the no armor+fighting with fists extremely limiting and boring. so i guess i'm thinking something with magic and/or some thieving. i have never tried assassin or kensai and don't even know what they do.
what about specialist mages? did anyone ever try that (and enjoy it)?
playing BG too would actually be a good idea... hadn't thought about it. haven't played since i was a kid, 15 years ago at least... :O would that limit my options of kits?
If you haven't already, you might like playing a Cleric or Druid, it plays a little differently to a Mage but it's a spell caster.
Specialist mages are okay, you lose a spell school but your enemies get a -2 to save against spells from your specialist school and you get an extra cast as day (although the resting rules are pretty lax in the saga, so that's not really a huge bonus). An Enchanter or Necromancer can get some extra mileage from their controlling and death spells with the -2 to save bonus. Unfortunately those schools lose Evocation and Illusion respectively which are two of the more useful schools of spells.
I have used Xan before (Enchanter), and if you are a player who uses a lot of evocation spells, playing an Enchanter can be fun. Honestly, I'd say illusion is too good to pass up to make a Necromancer.
Kensai is basically a Fighter who gets to hit and damage bonuses but can't wear armor (including bracers and helmets). The Assassin is a thief who gets a poison weapon ability and a stronger backstab multiplier eventually, but only gets 15 skill points per level (vs. 25 for a normal thief). The problem with the multiplier is that by the time you reach a high enough level to get the higher multiplier, the enemies start getting immune to backstabs. So you're basically getting poison weapon at a cost of 10 skill points per level.
an extra cast a day? you mean they get to cast each spell twice, before they have to rest?
No, for each spell level, they can memorize one extra spell. E.g. when a regular mage can cast 2 level 1 spells a day, they can cast 3.
No. not what you said. what he said.
+1 spell per level. its mainly useful when unlocking a new level a regular mage would have 1 spell to cast, but a specialist mage gets 2.