Jaheira post-Harper questiine question (and a Viconiaa romance ?)

[I AM BAYTOR]

Not romancing her. Just got the Harper pin and I want to switch up the party for the Underdark, but she threatens to leave for good if I remove her. Am I stuck with her for the rest of SoA if I don't want her to disappear?

For Viconia, I think I already wrapped up her romance part of SoA. Does she always say it isn't working out? The only option that didn't make her leave accepted us breaking up but said the party needed her. Just want to make sure I didn't screw myself somewhere along the line and can finish thing in ToB.

Surprisingly hard to find this info through google.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by Woodhouse:

she threatens to leave for good if I remove her.

She is serious about that, yes.

Originally posted by Woodhouse:

For Viconia, I think I already wrapped up her romance part of SoA. Does she always say it isn't working out? The only option that didn't make her leave accepted us breaking up but said the party needed her. Just want to make sure I didn't screw myself somewhere along the line and can finish thing in ToB.

Surprisingly hard to find this info through google.

If you're really worried about the romance, it would be an idea to look into console usage and then query the internal romance state variables.

The romance with Viconia isn't straight-forward. It can be messed up indeed, and then it won't continue in ToB anymore.

http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Viconia_DeVir

If romanced, Viconia will (depending partly on how Gorion's Ward responds) vacillate between venomous hostility and abject compassion and fear (mostly of her former goddess, Lolth).

[I AM BAYTOR]

Well that sucks. Jaheira is good but annoying, I want to swap her out for a while with Jan or Dorn so I can do their quests. Say I dismiss her and she leaves for good, can I bring her back with the console or eekeeper and recruit her again?


I'm not trying to use the console if possible.

From the romance guide pdf I found, this is the very last bit of Viconia's romance in the guide.

VICCY: We...we must talk. (VICONIA6) This...is not working...between us. It will never work, and I think you know this. There can be only one outcome. It can only end poorly.
1. No, I refuse to believe that! I love you, Viconia!
VICCY: Love? What is this love? What can it do? Your love will not be enough for us...it cannot provide us a future. You know it is the truth. Sooner or later I will fail you, or you will fail me, or Lolth will capture me, or I will cause your death. I am Drow and you are not...there is no happy ending here. We must poison our hearts, my ssinssrigg...we must do what is necessary and cleave us apart before it is too late. And I cannot stay. ****PERSUADE_HER!
2. Why do you say this?
VICCY: Sooner or later I will fail you, or you will fail me, or Lolth will capture me, or I will cause your death. I am Drow and you are not...there is no happy ending here. We must poison our hearts, my ssinssrigg...we must do what is necessary and cleave us apart before it is too late. And I cannot stay. ****PERSUADE_HER!
3. I suppose that is the truth. What do you intend to do?
VICCY: I must leave you, now, <CHARNAME>. I must poison my heart and be apart from you before it is too late. I cannot stay. **** THE_TIME

**** THE_TIME
1. I suppose if you must go, there is nothing more to say. ****SHE’S_GONE_YOU_IDIOT!
2. Is there no way for you to stay with me, even if we are not together?
VICCY: There is no way, <CHARNAME>. You know that. ****PERSUADE_HER!


****PERSUADE_HER!
1. Then if you have to leave, leave with my blessing. I hope we meet again. ****SHE’S_GONE_YOU_IDIOT!
2. But I need you here in the party, even if we are not together... I cannot succeed without your strength.
VICCY: I... I suppose I am being selfish. You are on a quest of great importance to you, and my leaving would be more than an inconvenience, perhaps. Very well, <CHARNAME>. It shall be... difficult to stay by your side, but I will. But there is nothing further between us... and we part once your task is complete. This is the way it must be, if I am to help you. I... am sorry, <CHARNAME>. In my own way, I do... love you. Let us go now and put this behind us. (RomanceActive=2 -??? why again?)
3. No, you're wrong! Everyone can change! We've been through so much, you can't just throw it away!****EXPLAIN_HER!

****EXPLAIN_HER!
VICCY: But why?! Why would you wish to have me stay when you know this is doomed! Doomed as my own black heart is doomed! Do not do this to yourself, <CHARNAME>!
1. I want you to stay because I love you, Viconia. Because if you leave, I will die without you.
VICCY: ...I love you, too, <CHARNAME>...in my fashion. I... I regret I am not a creature who can feel things as you do. The capacity...is just not within. I almost wish it was, but darkness and loss are my callings...Shar knows only too well. ****THE_TIME
2. If... if you cannot love me, Viconia, is there no way for you to remain with me, here?
VICCY: There is no way, <CHARNAME>. You know that. ****PERSUADE_HER
3. Go, then. Go, Viconia, and do it quickly, or I will not be able to bear it. ****SHE’S_GONE_YOU_IDIOT!

****SHE’S_GONE_YOU_IDIOT!
VICCY: I thank you, my ssinssrigg...you have shown me something I did not think to find, especially here on the surface. You touched my black soul and I will be forever grateful. If it..if it means anything to you, <CHARNAME>, I do truly love you. Aluve' ussta mzilst ssin'urn ultrin...farewell, my most handsome conqueror. Until we meet again. (romance screwed, she leaves the party, all her equipment stays in party)


The only option that keeps her in the party is
2. But I need you here in the party, even if we are not together... I cannot succeed without your strength.

She says she'll stay but the romance is over. Now, I believe this concludes her romance portion of SoA. I just want to make sure it will continue on into ToB as is, or if I do indeed need to screw with the console/eekeeper to get things sorted.

The wikia has no real information about the romance at all aside from the ending. It was easy enough to figure out her teenage mind games.

[red255]

Originally posted by Woodhouse:

Not romancing her. Just got the Harper pin and I want to switch up the party for the Underdark, but she threatens to leave for good if I remove her. Am I stuck with her for the rest of SoA if I don't want her to disappear?

Uh, you can cast flesh to stone on her, or I suppose imprison if you have it to drop her from the party, thaw her out when you need her again.

For Viconia, I think I already wrapped up her romance part of SoA. Does she always say it isn't working out? The only option that didn't make her leave accepted us breaking up but said the party needed her. Just want to make sure I didn't screw myself somewhere along the line and can finish thing in ToB.

Surprisingly hard to find this info through google.

VIconica's romance ends when you are attacked by some handmaidens of lloth or sometihing as I recall.

most romances in ToB start active.

Like it gives you the amonen romance even if you are a dude in ToB. romance dialogs with everyone.

[I AM BAYTOR]

Originally posted by red255:

Originally posted by Woodhouse:

Not romancing her. Just got the Harper pin and I want to switch up the party for the Underdark, but she threatens to leave for good if I remove her. Am I stuck with her for the rest of SoA if I don't want her to disappear?

Uh, you can cast flesh to stone on her, or I suppose imprison if you have it to drop her from the party, thaw her out when you need her again.

Perfect, thank you.

And yeah I figured through eekeeper that her romance being set at 2 means it's active/done.