Looking for tips

[select_21]

Started a new career, having a good time so far. I got offered the red bull bike in moto3, they want me to test it and at Mugello, I need to run a 2:02.92 for them to award me the 3 data packets.

I'm having problems getting the time I need. Best I've ran is around a 2:03.4 using the riding style where you try and take the corners fast, and gradually accelerate out. I tried using the technique where you make the corner as short as possible, then just blast out, but only manage a 2:03.9. Imo, the bike out of the box understeers on corner entry and coming around the corner, but not so bad coming out of the corner, however they won't let you tweak the bike during the test, you just have to ride it as is.

Anyways, anyone have any suggestions? I played Motogp'13, always won races on realistic settings, and I say this to show that i'm not new to Motorcycle racing games. Been playing them for awhile, just having trouble with this test.

[✪ILlIcIT]

Nope your new lol.. gp 13 to 14 is a huge difference in riding and braking. the game feels some what new if you will but from what it sounds like its your braking and cornering make sure your down shifting quickly before hitting your corners because youll be braking alot later making up alot of time

[snu_snu]

Just got Motogp 14, I'm not liking it so far due to choppy graphics issues and feeling a bit cartoony, but from what little I've played, they made some minor track changes forcing me to pick different braking markers. I'll see about posting up Motogp 14 runs. In the meantime, I broke 1:58 (probably could knock off another second with some practice) at Mugello with the Redbull KTM in Motogp 13 and maybe this can help with lines:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uuC8N8d0iY

[select_21]

Thanks for the replies, and Holy balls on the 1:58. My quirk is in this testing in Career mode, they won't let me modify the bike settings which is irritating. I can easily tell what settings I would modify and what would let me go faster but anyways.

Also, How much does braking deep into a corner affect overall speed? I know in '13, I could brake into the corner, but not too deep, coast in a bit, then gas out. In '14 can you pretty much brake until you need to hit the gas? or does that cause you to run wider?

[✪ILlIcIT]

Its depends, theres thousands of ratios while while taking a line and braking with each track mugo for sure lol but dont compare last years vs's this year. Milestone changed the physics we are running about 3-4 secs slower (maybe 2) in this bad boy.Youve got to start riding as if this were a sim because thats where their going with it (Huge jump from 13to14). So if your running wide its because of two things you hit the corner to fast or your gasing it to early. Add me and ill show you some things. Youll be running with the bad boys in no time............................ IIKINGII

Originally posted by select_21:

Thanks for the replies, and Holy balls on the 1:58. My quirk is in this testing in Career mode, they won't let me modify the bike settings which is irritating. I can easily tell what settings I would modify and what would let me go faster but anyways.

Also, How much does braking deep into a corner affect overall speed? I know in '13, I could brake into the corner, but not too deep, coast in a bit, then gas out. In '14 can you pretty much brake until you need to hit the gas? or does that cause you to run wider?

[snu_snu]

Not a hotlap as there are a lot areas for improvement, but here's a quick and dirty line just enough to break 2:02.92.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egdDriMpPkE

[select_21]

Originally posted by snu_snu:

Not a hotlap as there are a lot areas for improvement, but here's a quick and dirty line just enough to break 2:02.92.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egdDriMpPkE

Awesome, this will help me alot. The hard thing about moving to a new Motogp game I've found, is when the physics are different enough that you have to figure out a way to adapt your previuos style to the new one. Some habits are hard to break.

** just watched the vid, first thing I notice is that it's giving you split times. It doesn't give me that during the career mode testing. Also have you tweaked the settings of the bike? It won't let me tweak the bike at all in the career mode test. I notice your corner speed is a lot higher than mine in some areas, but also I notice compared to my laps, I'm coming out of some of the corners a faster. It's obvious after watching this the different styles we have which is interesting. If you haven't tweaked the bike at all, my question is how are you getting such high corner speed? If I try getting close to that, the bike just drifts off line and off the track.

The career mode test has proven to be frustrating since I can't tweak the bike in areas where i know I could be faster if I could just adjust "x" setting if you know what I mean.

[snu_snu]

I was experimenting with most of the last third of the track, so it's quite slow in comparison to what I can actually run.

I'm using stock bike settings. Due to lack of time, I typically only spend a day or two at a track to learn it and record a race. Then I move on. If I do experiment with bike settings, it will usually be with gearing (shorter tracks can benefit). I find that stock gearing is adequate most of the time so I usually leave the bike settings alone. Also, I use manual gearing and tuck.

Depends on the corner but when I can carry corner speed, its usually a combination of the following:

- engine braking rather than braking (touching the brakes when you can get away with engine braking loses corner speed)
- trail braking (don't treat your brakes like on/off switches, analog triggers help in this regard, I'm using an xbox 360 controller)
- rate of downshifting (too quickly and you'll lose a lot of corner speed)
- rate of leaning the bike (if you treat your steering like an on/off switch, you limit the lines with which you can take the corner)
- and more... (it's an art, just like IRL, lol)

I only use the rear brake for emergencies. I probably should learn how to back it in one of these days...

I tend to learn a lot from racing the AI. When I learn a track, I learn my own line and try to learn the AI line too. Some corners, they carry quite a bit more corner speed than me and so I experiment in order to keep up.

I only use the ideal trajectory as a baseline for brand new to me tracks so I don't crash every corner and to give me a sense of what gears I can use. Then I turn it off because it's a distraction when it comes to line experimentation and I run faster lap times without it.

[select_21]

Originally posted by snu_snu:

I was experimenting with most of the last third of the track, so it's quite slow in comparison to what I can actually run.

I'm using stock bike settings. Due to lack of time, I typically only spend a day or two at a track to learn it and record a race. Then I move on. If I do experiment with bike settings, it will usually be with gearing (shorter tracks can benefit). I find that stock gearing is adequate most of the time so I usually leave the bike settings alone. Also, I use manual gearing and tuck.

Depends on the corner but when I can carry corner speed, its usually a combination of the following:

- engine braking rather than braking (touching the brakes when you can get away with engine braking loses corner speed)
- trail braking (don't treat your brakes like on/off switches, analog triggers help in this regard, I'm using an xbox 360 controller)
- rate of downshifting (too quickly and you'll lose a lot of corner speed)
- rate of leaning the bike (if you treat your steering like an on/off switch, you limit the lines with which you can take the corner)
- and more... (it's an art, just like IRL, lol)

I only use the rear brake for emergencies. I probably should learn how to back it in one of these days...

I tend to learn a lot from racing the AI. When I learn a track, I learn my own line and try to learn the AI line too. Some corners, they carry quite a bit more corner speed than me and so I experiment in order to keep up.

I only use the ideal trajectory as a baseline for brand new to me tracks so I don't crash every corner and to give me a sense of what gears I can use. Then I turn it off because it's a distraction when it comes to line experimentation and I run faster lap times without it.

The only things I see you are doing that I'm not and because I haven't really thought about how it affects my speed is the lean rate and speed at which I down shift. I need to check your vid again, then try it.

Your corner speed is noticeably faster than me, in fact it was the first thing I noticed. In my Motogp games careers if you want to call it that, I aim to get the bike into and out of the corners as fast as possible a la the current Real Life Honda philosophy in racing. Yamaha's philosophy is more braking stability and corner speed. Stock, this bike is set up to carry corner speed if you do it right I can see, because although I'm not used to racing that way, I can put in a faster lap than I can trying to shoot out of the corners. Mugello though isn't trypically friendly to my style of riding.

Oh well, practice practice practice. I'll get it.

[select_21]

Originally posted by snu_snu:

I was experimenting with most of the last third of the track, so it's quite slow in comparison to what I can actually run.

I'm using stock bike settings. Due to lack of time, I typically only spend a day or two at a track to learn it and record a race. Then I move on. If I do experiment with bike settings, it will usually be with gearing (shorter tracks can benefit). I find that stock gearing is adequate most of the time so I usually leave the bike settings alone. Also, I use manual gearing and tuck.

Depends on the corner but when I can carry corner speed, its usually a combination of the following:

- engine braking rather than braking (touching the brakes when you can get away with engine braking loses corner speed)
- trail braking (don't treat your brakes like on/off switches, analog triggers help in this regard, I'm using an xbox 360 controller)
- rate of downshifting (too quickly and you'll lose a lot of corner speed)
- rate of leaning the bike (if you treat your steering like an on/off switch, you limit the lines with which you can take the corner)
- and more... (it's an art, just like IRL, lol)

I only use the rear brake for emergencies. I probably should learn how to back it in one of these days...

I tend to learn a lot from racing the AI. When I learn a track, I learn my own line and try to learn the AI line too. Some corners, they carry quite a bit more corner speed than me and so I experiment in order to keep up.

I only use the ideal trajectory as a baseline for brand new to me tracks so I don't crash every corner and to give me a sense of what gears I can use. Then I turn it off because it's a distraction when it comes to line experimentation and I run faster lap times without it.

Just wanted to give you an update. I was really concentrating on the speed of my downshifts and a some on the rate of lean and I improved my time down to a 2:02.3 within probably 10 laps. What was benefitting me the most was the slower downshifting. I can't believe how much well timed down shifts can help by giving you a better initial turn in and better corner entry speed. It really blew my mind once I started getting it. I'm still working on it but I'm getting better.

[snu_snu]

Good to hear.

I used to have the same honda mindset initially. Brake hard, gun it out. Simple enough to do. However, I realized I can only blame the AI so much for crashes if it's ME that doesn't follow the line that everyone else follows. So, trying to follow their lines slowly adapted my style of riding. If you look back on some of my older and recent races, you can see the transition.

[select_21]

Just an update, I had gotten down to a 2:02.3 after working on some of the things you listed, but that was lucky, somehow I can't get back down below 2:02.6 and the occassional 2:02.5.

So for kicks, I just into a time attack with the red bull moto3 bike so I could gauge more how I was doing in each sector as opposed to just finding out my time at the end like it is in the career mode testing. My 2nd lap I put down a 2:01.8. I was easily averaging high 2:01's, and got to a 2:01.5 as my best after just 15 or so laps.

So with my new found confidence, I jump back to the career mode testing and I couldn't get below a 2:02.5. Are the time attack bikes and the career Red Bul bikes that different on stock settings?

[noobsbane]

I had to get a 2:01.9 in that Mugello test. After 58 minutes of the session were gone, I landed a 2:01.88. Punched the air repeatedly in celebration. XD

[snu_snu]

Not perfect, but good enough for top of the leaderboard. :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzu907CdvJA

[Punked]

Nice guys, let me know when you guys start doing hot laps with Motogp bikes. I wanna see how far or close iam :)