Is this game so hard, or am I so weak...?

[arczi-san]

Hi, guys.
I know the question in this topic is maybe lame, but hear me, and help me solving it.

I am now in the middle of second season in Moto3. Playing on almost every assistance off. Almost means, I use automatic gear, best line help, perspective behind the bike. AI on Pro, full race laps. Playing on Xbox gamepad. After first season I am a driver on KTM Red Bull, the team with the fastest bike on Moto3. The problem is, I still don't have any chance fighting for the winning. While my AI team partner Miller is winning the championship, and fighting with Rins and Marquez for the best positions, I sttrugle for about 10 to 15 places...
MotoGP games from Milestone are not new to me. I spent 12 full race seasons on MotoGP 13. Also with the same difficulties and AI on Pro. So driving bikes on this series game is nothing new to me. But still on MotoGP 14, having the fastest bike on the grid I lose about 2 seconds to fastest drivers. Am I the only one having so much problem on Pro AI? Is it me, am I to weak? I know my bike don't have all data packs. Right now I have 1 level engine, 2 level brake, and 3 level chasis and suspension. But to be honest I'm losing hope, that having all the best components will change anything in my lap times.
Mostly, I lose a lot time on long corners. It does'nt matter if the corner is fast, or slow. I see how AI drivers get to me, and going through those corners a lot faster, than me. But I don't see any option, how is it possible to drive faster on those corners. I also lost to AI drivers on long straights. They are just faster than me. So I was trying to change setup of the bike, by "talking" with my engineer. I ask him, to decrease oversteering in the middle of the corners. Logic says, that if other drivers are faster on long corners, and I have to go slower brake, to take those corners, so I should do something with oversteering. Also I told him to increase speed on straights, and on the end of corners. But to be honest, I don't see any difference. Not in my times, not with the fighting with AI drivers.

So one more time, am I the only one having this kind of problems with the game? I don't want to change difficulty, beacuse winning every race even when I start on last position is not what I want. But if I won't be able to win championship having the best bike, with the best components in it, than it is also nothing funny for me...

I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the difficulty of the game. It is a lot better than overlapping every driver on a race, like I did on MotoGP 13. But still, it's just bothering me. Is it me...am I the problem?

[Deckard]

Nope, sounds about right to me. I've got nearly 40 hours up and am still happy to finish midfield. Your team gives you goals like finish better than 15th etc. You get 'data packs' to upgrade your bike over the course of your career, so you end up getting better towards the end. In this game you don't get a fantastic speed advantage on the straights just because you're 'the player'. If you want to barge through the pack hitting everyone the game lets you to a large degree but I rather prefer racing clean and only making legit overtakes even if it means not getting the position. If you think about it, it would hardly be realistic for an amateur to jump on a GP bike and suddenly become the World Champion.

[select_21]

Same here in motogp 13 experience. I think I only had about 7 seasons, but I know what you mean. I was very frustrated in coming to this game and starting off, being lucky to place in the top 15. To make a long story short, I finally got a good bike, (Sky Racing) and just won my first race by about .6 secs.

It's amazing how much easier to ride the better bikes are, which is realistic imo. So many times on the lesser bikes I felt on the verge of crashing just to keep up. With the Sky Racing, being on the verge of crashing the whole race kept me ahead. Getting development levels will surely help me ride smoother and not feel like I'm about to crash all the time just getting as much as I can out of the bike.

[arczi-san]

Yeah, I totally agree, that it is better to drive with AI like this in MotoGp 14, compare to MotoGp 13. In MotoGp 13 I was able to push so hard, I could overlap every driver. Let's be honest, it is not realistic, not possible in real life in this sport. So I am very admire of Milestone great job, because they did really great challenge, very realistic. And even driving full lenght race which is about 40min, fighting in Mahindra bike for 15th position, and every lap is a fight, you don't get bored because of that. And enjoyment of winning on 15th place in weak bike is almost as big as win race in best bike.
But I just wanted to know, to be sure, am I that bad, or game is that hard. Thanks for reply.
@select_21, this is what bothers me. You were able to win race with Sky Racing, which as far as I know is worse bike compare to KTM Ajo Red Bull. And still you did it. So basically I shouldnt have problem winning race on KTM. But still about 2s loss on every lap is to much. I had chance to win race only on GP Americas. It was my first and only Pole Position. I was super fast on 1st, and 2nd sectors, pretty fast on 3rd sector, and mega slow on last sector (again because of long fast corners). So I was escaping on 1st,2nd and 3rd sectors and I was losing on last. I made a mistake, got drive through, and finished 7th. But at least I knew I could win this, and it was only my fault.

[nufcmickey78]

I can put A.I on realisttic, Pro assists, same as you but with auto gears, 6 lap race, and come from the back and win very easily. In career, I start from the back coz I dont do qualifying, 7 lap races, and at start of career I can win odd race, some tracks finish top ten. But once u got upgrades on bike etc etc its way too easy. In fact thats why I dont really play it, its fun up until you get a good bike.

[select_21]

Originally posted by arczi-san:

Yeah, I totally agree, that it is better to drive with AI like this in MotoGp 14, compare to MotoGp 13. In MotoGp 13 I was able to push so hard, I could overlap every driver. Let's be honest, it is not realistic, not possible in real life in this sport. So I am very admire of Milestone great job, because they did really great challenge, very realistic. And even driving full lenght race which is about 40min, fighting in Mahindra bike for 15th position, and every lap is a fight, you don't get bored because of that. And enjoyment of winning on 15th place in weak bike is almost as big as win race in best bike.
But I just wanted to know, to be sure, am I that bad, or game is that hard. Thanks for reply.
@select_21, this is what bothers me. You were able to win race with Sky Racing, which as far as I know is worse bike compare to KTM Ajo Red Bull. And still you did it. So basically I shouldnt have problem winning race on KTM. But still about 2s loss on every lap is to much. I had chance to win race only on GP Americas. It was my first and only Pole Position. I was super fast on 1st, and 2nd sectors, pretty fast on 3rd sector, and mega slow on last sector (again because of long fast corners). So I was escaping on 1st,2nd and 3rd sectors and I was losing on last. I made a mistake, got drive through, and finished 7th. But at least I knew I could win this, and it was only my fault.

Yeah, I noticed this about the lesser bikes. It I rode hard, and knew I gave everything, it did feel good to finish. I think the bike comes down to style, and I'm just speculating. When I got Ajo RedBull bike, I was lucky to finished top 5, but 9 times out of 10, I would place between 8th-10th with it. Others ride well on the Ajo Red Bull, I just couldn't get the preformance out of it.

My corner entry speed was slow and my exit was slow. However I saw videos of people able to pull a lot higher mid corner speed than I could. They would tell me how they did it, but it was just so against my "style", I coudl do it, but it just didn't feel right. In the heat of th emoment, I would always fall back to my natural bend.

Having just gotten the SkyRacing bike, I coudl see the potential to win with it, but it was hard fought for me. I was able to enter the corners a lot faster and exit faster in a way that fit my style. If I"m being honest, I restarted my first race on that bike several times because I would make a mistake somewhere and not be able to catch back up and ended 2nd, 3rd or 4th. But I knew if I ran a good race, I could win, even if by a little. So I kept restarting the race until I won lol. Cheated a little but it was fun to get my first win.

[arczi-san]

Well, my idea is to finish this season, and see how will it be to drive KTM RedBull with all best components in it. If I still will have problems, I will try different team. Maybe Estrella Galicia would be better for my style.. . Or maybe, like in your case Sky would be better for me.
But this is another great thing for this game. On MotoGP 13 it was the same. You feel the difference in bike's handling and driving style. I remember having problems in Repsol Honda, and I changed in the middle of season team to Yamaha, and the difference in ride was so huge.... It felt a lot better for me.

[select_21]

Lol, see for me again, in Motogp13, the honda was so much better for me than the Yamaha even though I would stubbornly ride the Yamaha most since I love Vale. It was funny though, I woudl put in 25+ laps on a track with the Yamaha just going for good times, tweaking the settings of the bike, etc. Then come in on the Honda and within 5 laps beat my best Yamaha Lap. But again, the Honda fit my riding style a lot better than the Yamaha, even though it pains me to say it, since I like the Yamaha team so much more than Repsol.

[arczi-san]

Well, Yamaha was driving way better on corners, than Repsol. More fluid.. Also I was srtuggling a lot with Honda on braking after long straights. The same was in Moto2. Tuenti HP 40 felt a lot more better than Marc VDS Racing Team. At least for me.

[snu_snu]

Just takes practice. Experiment with lines, braking, downshifting, etc. Utilize analog control (braking, throttle, steering) by feathering, gradually, on and off. Kind of hard to tell what areas you need to improve without video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JI_kVB-1DI

[select_21]

Originally posted by snu_snu:

Just takes practice. Experiment with lines, braking, downshifting, etc. Utilize analog control (braking, throttle, steering) by feathering, gradually, on and off. Kind of hard to tell what areas you need to improve without video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JI_kVB-1DI

Yeah, I've been practicing a lot with working the analog since I saw somethign else you posted a few weeks ago. It has really helped me get into and out of the coners faster for sure.

[Deckard]

@snu_snu. Nice vid. Smooth lines.

[arczi-san]

Well, today on Catalunya I lost hope, and the amount of frustration is to much for me. It looks like I'm just not good enough for Realistic AI. On Catalunya I managed to make 8th place in quali. Even took 1st place after start and first corner. But on 1st sector on Elf and Renault corners I lost 9 positions....I didn't make any mistake... I just have to slow so much, especially on Renault corner, that I lose so many positions. And if I won't slow the oversteering pushes me outside the track... And On 2nd lap on the same sector I'm losing another 5 positions.... Surry, but it is too irritating. Having the best bike on the grid... The answer is only one. I am not good enough for realistic AI, and solution is one....change difficulty to Hard... :(

[snu_snu]

Stick with it. Seat time and experimentation will pay off.

Also, I find I perform terribly and make more mistakes when I focus on beating my opponents. Rather, I perform best when I'm focused on hitting my marks. If I can do that, while adjusting my line as needed to compensate for differences in the AI line if I'm surrounded by AI, I obtain better results.

[Judananas]

arczi, the game is not too difficult, my 1st season in moto3 in Realistic AI.
http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/8319172563902014070900019.jpg
You just need more training ;)

I would like the same difficulty inj Motogp.. But it's too easy.

[select_21]

Originally posted by snu_snu:

Stick with it. Seat time and experimentation will pay off.

Also, I find I perform terribly and make more mistakes when I focus on beating my opponents. Rather, I perform best when I'm focused on hitting my marks. If I can do that, while adjusting my line as needed to compensate for differences in the AI line if I'm surrounded by AI, I obtain better results.

How true I find this in this game as opposed to GP'13. In 13 I could fudge my lines a bit, race frutrated and make up positions by making stupid/gutsy moves. I've found that the moment I start getting frustrated because people are passing me, I turn it off. When I get passed, I just try and regroup my focus, and concentrate on riding fast, hitting the lines and apex's, when I start doign that. I find that most of the time I get the positions back.