Horizon Zero Dawn™ Remastered

Horizon Zero Dawn™ Remastered

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Gisborne Nov 15, 2024 @ 8:05am
From controller to Mouse...
So I just started playing this game, Since start I used my PS5 controller and played on my TV, I play on Very Hard from start and was finding aiming literally impossible with the speed of game and trying to hit the small parts on enemies, so I turned on the motion controls, this made a big difference but was still not perfect and could get annoying at times... Well I decided to try on my main monitor sat at desk and use Mouse, and holy... it's soo much easier... like game changing, And not in the typical mouse is better than controller way. I honestly don;t get how people play this game without aim assist it's literally impossible.
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Subset6 Nov 15, 2024 @ 8:34am 
Practice really. I play exclusivity on a pc connected to a large 144hz TV. It's been a really fun learning experience coming from a standard "desk PC" over to "couch" mode.
Really does provide a level of artificial difficulty and I got damn good at games I had already mastered with kb/mouse.

Guess I have the souls series to thank for that, I found the m/kb controls very awkward in souls games so they forced me to use a pad.. rest is history. I can still use kb/mouse if I want but its rarely needed anymore :P
Gisborne Nov 15, 2024 @ 8:36am 
Originally posted by Subset6:
Practice really. I play exclusivity on a pc connected to a large 144hz TV. It's been a really fun learning experience coming from a standard "desk PC" over to "couch" mode.
Really does provide a level of artificial difficulty and I got damn good at games I had already mastered with kb/mouse.

Guess I have the souls series to thank for that, I found the m/kb controls very awkward in souls games so they forced me to use a pad.. rest is history. I can still use kb/mouse if I want but its rarely needed anymore :P
It's just the aiming, trying to aim at a tiny red eyeball 50 meters away on something that is constantly running or moving its head about, was infuriating.
Subset6 Nov 15, 2024 @ 8:53am 
Originally posted by Gisborne:
Originally posted by Subset6:
Practice really. I play exclusivity on a pc connected to a large 144hz TV. It's been a really fun learning experience coming from a standard "desk PC" over to "couch" mode.
Really does provide a level of artificial difficulty and I got damn good at games I had already mastered with kb/mouse.

Guess I have the souls series to thank for that, I found the m/kb controls very awkward in souls games so they forced me to use a pad.. rest is history. I can still use kb/mouse if I want but its rarely needed anymore :P
It's just the aiming, trying to aim at a tiny red eyeball 50 meters away on something that is constantly running or moving its head about, was infuriating.
Just practice.. like anything.. you get out of it what you put in it. Did I have moment's where I threw my hands up and went back to kb/mouse? Oh yah, for sure. My kb/mouse skills where hard coded in "muscle memory" and had that build that from scratch with a pad, now I'm good with both, a master of the HID (human interface devices) :P
Photonboy Nov 15, 2024 @ 5:41pm 
BECAUSE...
There are CONCENTRATION skills that make this easier. It is SUPPOSED to be more difficult at first. For example, you unlock a concentration skill and JUMP in the air which should cause things to SLOW DOWN.

AND besides practice you have other OPTIONS like hiding and calling the enemies to you.

I've played through the game completely. I would NOT want it any easier. Once you LEARN how things work I think you'll find it makes sense.
Gisborne Nov 15, 2024 @ 10:52pm 
I'm finding dodging very useless half the time, enemies jump on me with homing precision and can hit me while rolling easy.
Photonboy Nov 15, 2024 @ 11:09pm 
Originally posted by Gisborne:
I'm finding dodging very useless half the time, enemies jump on me with homing precision and can hit me while rolling easy.

Jump to land BEHIND some of the enemies. Run straight AT some of them, ROLL and you can get a power strike in before they can turn to hit you. Then follow that up with CRITICAL STRIKE if they are stunned.
Last edited by Photonboy; Nov 15, 2024 @ 11:16pm
mpiter007 Nov 16, 2024 @ 2:52am 
Originally posted by Gisborne:
I'm finding dodging very useless half the time, enemies jump on me with homing precision and can hit me while rolling easy.

I am very surprised to read this. I have never been a good fighter in video games but I only play HZD in Ultra Hard. Every time I am hit, it is due to a personal mistake, usually because I stay too long on a spot during a fight. I am never hit when I dodge in time. Also, if I make too many mistakes and my health and herb become dangerously low, I quit the fight just rolling all the time. I can almost always escape this way without more damage, even against bird-type machines.
Mav99 Nov 16, 2024 @ 3:13am 
Originally posted by Subset6:
Just practice.. like anything..
Most likely... but why bother?

I never played any Horizon game with a controller but I tried God of War on a friends PS5 and found the controls abysmal. I finished the game before, with mouse and keyboard on my PC and would never consider playing ANYTHING with a controller these days.

The last "controller" I enjoyed playing with, was an Advanced Gravis Analog Pro Joystick for racing or flying games. Long time ago... :)
80TCS Nov 16, 2024 @ 7:14am 
Originally posted by Gisborne:
So I just started playing this game, Since start I used my PS5 controller and played on my TV, I play on Very Hard from start and was finding aiming literally impossible with the speed of game and trying to hit the small parts on enemies, so I turned on the motion controls, this made a big difference but was still not perfect and could get annoying at times... Well I decided to try on my main monitor sat at desk and use Mouse, and holy... it's soo much easier... like game changing, And not in the typical mouse is better than controller way. I honestly don;t get how people play this game without aim assist it's literally impossible.

We could have mouse accuracy on the supported Gyro enabled controllers, (dualsense, dualshock 4, Nintendo pro controller, etc.) as tested with other games or via Steam Input in games that at the very least support mixed input (both mouse/keyboard and controller at the same time)

But.. most game developers decided NOT to PROPERLY implement motion (gyro) aiming in their games. Basically, what they're doing is translating gyro motion data into Right Analog stick deflection (so basically like aiming with the right stick on a controller) INSTEAD OF translating the motion data into mouse movement motion data (like moving a mouse to aim)

Should they had PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED gyro in this game, we would've had aim precision parity with a gaming mouse while aiming.
Gisborne Nov 16, 2024 @ 7:19am 
After playing more I've noticed on very hard even using mouse a miss A LOT, It's like the precision needed is insane, 1 pixel to left of head and it misses, ad on top of this enemies bouncing g all over place non stop, even in concentration mode with mouse it's hard to hit many weak spots.
Thornok Nov 16, 2024 @ 10:02am 
what is a ps5 ?
Photonboy Nov 16, 2024 @ 10:24am 
Guys, guys, guys...
The combat is designed around the LIMITATIONS of the controller. It's balanced that way. I wouldn't actually want it to be EASIER, I personally think it works well.

Finer control of aiming isn't a plus it's a negative. You want to LEARN the game systems and how to properly engage in combat to win battles not play with super precise controls that "cheat" the game mechanics.

If you don't like how this is implemented, it's maybe not the game for you. Many, many people love how it's setup. And it's setup for a normal xbox/ps controller.
Gisborne Nov 16, 2024 @ 10:40am 
Originally posted by Photonboy:
Guys, guys, guys...
The combat is designed around the LIMITATIONS of the controller. It's balanced that way. I wouldn't actually want it to be EASIER, I personally think it works well.

Finer control of aiming isn't a plus it's a negative. You want to LEARN the game systems and how to properly engage in combat to win battles not play with super precise controls that "cheat" the game mechanics.

If you don't like how this is implemented, it's maybe not the game for you. Many, many people love how it's setup. And it's setup for a normal xbox/ps controller.
No it just happens to be a console made game with the limitations of controller... It's not a good thing and most games on Pc is better with mouse and keyboard... So to say it was designed for controller is silly, it was designed around aim assist and arrows homing on enemy and weak points, both removed on very hard.
Photonboy Nov 16, 2024 @ 11:06am 
"most games on Pc is better with mouse and keyboard"

Personal preference. I prefer the controller for a game like this. Many others do as well. To say it was designed for a controller is silly?

Uh, that's LITERALLY what they did though... this is a pointless argument.
mpiter007 Nov 16, 2024 @ 2:12pm 
Originally posted by Photonboy:
"most games on Pc is better with mouse and keyboard"

Personal preference. I prefer the controller for a game like this. Many others do as well. To say it was designed for a controller is silly?

Uh, that's LITERALLY what they did though... this is a pointless argument.

You should let his sentence in context: "it was designed around aim assist and arrows homing on enemy and weak points, both removed on very hard." With the context, it is not a pointless argument. Controller + aim assist or mouse + keyboard without assist, why not? Why is it cheating to use the second option? It is part of the tools provided by the developers after all.
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Date Posted: Nov 15, 2024 @ 8:05am
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