Horizon Zero Dawn™ Remastered

Horizon Zero Dawn™ Remastered

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Random full system freezes - ONLY with this game - Possible solution in testing
So far, stable with some undervolting and frequency tuning.
My GPU is factory overclock *stock*.
2965 -> 2925MHz
1150 -> 1100mV
Power Limit -> +15% (Maxed slider)

If the solution is 40MHz less clock speed....just what the F.


Edit: for anyone looking here for the same problem, I cut my frequency by 300MHz, did the benchmark in settings, and began taking it back up in halves.
What I've found, unsurprisingly, is gameplay is more intense. The above tunings still give occasional freezes.
I'm actively working on finding a sweet spot. I'll share when I think I've found one. At least now I get a crash report instead of a whole system freeze!
Presently trying: 2875MHz and 1150mV.




New Edit: It's the GPU.
I stole my wife's 7900GRE and it did 6 benches at low medium and ultra back to back without missing a beat and maintained 90fps.

FURTHER: Fiddling with the power and voltage settings in Adrenaline is showing promising results.
So at a glance the game code does not like cracked out***Factory*** Overclocked cards. Will update as I do more testing. But maybe this is a data point the devs or the driver devs can look at?




As the title suggests, this game and ONLY this game, is plaguing me with freezing so hard I have to force boot.
The rig:
x870e Taichi mobo + NVMe for storage drives. -New
9800X3D - Normal settings -New
7900XTX Sapphire+ Nitro -New'ish
32GB (2x16) CL 30-36-36-76 6000 T-Create -New
ALL THE COOLING FOREVER
-Asus Ryujin III 360AIO (No armory crate or aura sync stuff, no extra RGB soft) -6mnth
-3x120mm front case intake
-140mm Exhaust
RM1000X Corsair Fully Modular PSU -about a year old
Samsung Odyssey G9 49" Compensator curved super-ultrawide monitor.

Rough wattage needs: 644W

Things I have Tried!
[.] *JDEC RAM settings - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *BIOS update - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *CHIPSET update - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Lowest/Highest graphics settings - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Lower Resolution than native - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Lower Aspect Ratio than Native- Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *No upscaling, frame gen, overlay Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Reseating RAM and GPU - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Update Graphics Drivers - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Beta-Graphics Drivers - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Beta-Update Bios - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Vsync On - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Vsync Off - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *SMT On AND Off - Both: Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Exclusive FullScreen Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *Reseating the GPU - Failure: System Freeze - Force Reboot
[.] *MDSched showed no errors
[.] *SFC /SCANNOW showed no errors
[.] *Windows is fully up to date
[.] *Power connections are snug

I very very rarely get a successful Benchmark test. As for playing, sometimes I can play for a few moments, sometimes it lets me play for an hour.
There is no rhyme or reason to the freeze that I can find. I've frozen in a menu, talking to a vendor, using the focus, turning the camera around, crafting arrows on the run.

The most frustrating thing is I can't even get a crash log because I have to force-reboot.
And the Kernel Event codes I get (1b8 and 1a8) typically suggest Overclocking - But I'm in JDEC for RAM for all this and I dont OC my CPU.

Amusingly, when it does run, it is amazing. So beautiful. And all the other intense games I might load up (Elden Ring, Doom, Cyberpunk, MonsterHunter Wilds *BETA TEST*... The rig handles with zero issue or exception for hours straight. Thermals never get above 47-51.

I am completely at a loss. I have no issues with the "Complete" edition of the game. None of the other games I own do this. If anyone has any insight, or knows how to capture a log to find useful error data, please let me know. I'm out of ideas.

edit - Updated with specific hardware models, and how old they are, and wattage needs.
Last edited by Solteris; Feb 27 @ 7:06am
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Last chipset pilote and adrenalin ? https://www.amd.com/en/support/download/drivers.html

What Windows version ? There are various issues with the last 11 updates and some are not yet fixed it seems.

Are you sure that the temperatures of the cpu, gpu and chipset are not exceeding their limits? In general, a freeze is a CPU or GPU blockage from overheating or a low-level kernel code crash that even the BSOD manager cannot intercept, because it is not a driver issue but an electronic issue, while a serious problem with the power supply will cause the PC to shut down if it contains a protection circuit.

That said and if cooling is ok and it's not a software problem, it seems that you have an electronic or voltage issue with your setup, but it's hard to pinpoint where exactly. It could be a component reaching the end of its lifespan, especially if it's being stressed by this particular game, since you mentioned it's the only one causing problems. You should determine whether your components are new or old and how many years they’ve been in use. There could also be a compatibility conflict too, which sometimes happens when mixing different brands.

What you describe is similar to an issue I experienced with a RM550x power supply that was 9 years old. Replacing it eliminated freezes, auto-reboots, and the loss of connection of the second NVMe upon waking from sleep. A month later, I also had to replace my UPS, which was also at the end of its lifespan, and two other issues disappeared like night awakening.

If I understand correctly, you have an ASRock motherboard. What are the brands of your graphics card, PSU, memory, NVMe, and inverter if you have one? And how old are they? Also, is this a pre-assembled computer, what brand? Or did you assemble it yourself, using antistatic gloves?

In general, when issues like the ones you're describing occur, even if everything seems fine and only one specific software is affected, I strongly recommend focusing on the power supply first. This is especially important given that you have a full AMD setup, unless there’s a rare manufacturing defect in some processor or chip. The next step would be checking for potential compatibility issues between components.

As an initial troubleshooting step, I’d suggest unplugging everything, cleaning off any dust, and reconnecting all cables and components, including the NVMe. Sometimes, even a tiny speck of invisible dust on a contact pin can cause unexpected issues. Also a cotton swab lightly moistened with alcohol can be used to clean metal connectors.

Last thing to consider, especially if you don't have a good line-interactive UPS or higher, have you or have you had any electrical incidents or storms recently in the last few days or weeks, and is your home in good condition? It's so easy to damage or even burn out a motherboard and graphics card.

If all is good, the best is to open a ticket:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/2561580/discussions/0/4634860082274836915/
Last edited by Ordisoftware; Feb 22 @ 4:14am
Zephyr Feb 22 @ 3:21am 
Hm, so it is just a full system freeze? I have a similar build, just a "step down" with Ryzen 7800 X3d, B650e Asrock Taichi Lite and RX 7900XT (Sapphire Pulse), 32 GB CL30 DDR5, NVME installation, PSU is Corsair RM750x (750W Gold+ standard, more is not needed for me, indeed the RX 7900XT worked with a 650W power supply, same brand, equally well). Drivers up to date, no issues so far at max settings 4k native. However, I only tested some benchmark runs and played the first minutes until Rost shows little Aloy the ropes :).

I can also heavily undervolt my RX 7900XT model in the Decima engine, it runs fine with 1010 mV (instead of 1100 mv) with a clock up to 2700 mhz (but no VRAM OC or increased power target set). I always limit FPS as well to the max average I can realistically get. Got through Horizon Forbidden West without a crash like this. For Horizon Zero Dawn a 70-75 FPS limit is realistic (RX 7900XT) at 4K native, full settings.

Your issue sounds weird, but my first idea would be the GPU, either due to power spikes the PSU cannot handle properly or due to settings. I have no idea about your PSU brand, never heard of it... . What GPU model do you have specifically and how do the clocks/power consumtion look like in games? I would have expected adrenalin crashes or complete reboot automatically if you had a GPU or PSU issue, but a freeze is also possible in some cases.

Maybe try to have locked FPS, say 90 or so and/or clock the GPU lower. Later you could also try to lower the voltage. If your RX 7900 XTX has manufacture OC of RAM or otherwise try complete "vanilla".

In some cases RGB software can have weird effects/bugs as well... .
Last edited by Zephyr; Feb 26 @ 1:13am
Solteris Feb 22 @ 10:33am 
Hiya you two, Zephy and Ordisoftware! Thank you for your inputs.
I'll re-try the disconnecting, blowing out and reconnecting the power feeds.
I've edited the posting to reflect more specificity. At this point I can only imagine it is something incredibly stupid, or the game just hates AMD. :D
I'll do some Power and Heat logging on games that don't crash to see if I can find something that raises a yellow flag. Toying with trying to do some remote monitoring via one of my pies
Your power supply is perfect and Corsair failures are very rare but not impossible, thus it is very unlikely that this is the cause.

Always remember to wear anti-static gloves before handling anything.

Without jumping to conclusions, I would lean towards some game code activity generating too much heat for the CPU and/or NVMe. A NVMe placed between the CPU and GPU, two components that easily heat up, along with the NVMe itself, creates a lot of heat, especially if you don't have an efficient radiator, not to mention the nearby chipset.

Therefore if you have a water cooling system, that might be something to check. You could monitor temperatures (CPU, GPU, all the Chipset sensors, NVMe), using Open Hardware Monitor or an equivalent tool and record them to find out the truth. The main chipset can be fatal as much as the CPU.

I'm not familiar with water cooling, but are you sure your airflow is correct? Front intake, rear and side exhaust, ventirad toward the radiator and not out (I know I don't know about watercooling but I mention it just in case).

Here are my limits for setting classic fan speeds for a Gigabyte B550 Ryzen 5800X RX6600 Enermax ventirad and Bequiet case fans, in-game and on desktop activity, using custom settings in the Gigabyte Control Center to have the lowest possible noise:

CPU < 90°
GPU < 80°
PCIEX16 < 55°
PCIEX4 < 55°
PCH < 50°
System 1 < 50°
System 2 < 55°
VRM MOS < 55°
NVMe < 60°
Last edited by Ordisoftware; Feb 22 @ 3:11pm
Zephyr Feb 22 @ 5:05pm 
Oh ok, you also have a Corsair PSU :). I use them since 20 years each unit usually 6-10 years at least, never had one dying on me or cause any trouble whatsoever. I would guess that is not the problem then. Like Ordisoftware said, it is a good idea to check with hardware info if there is anything suspicious while running HZD.

Nope, the game does not hat AMD GPUs in general, but perhaps just yours :).

All suggestions are grasping at straws sadly. Such issues are ****, because in could be all or nothing causing this. It is strange, though when it happens only with one game. Cyberpunk is pretty intense as well, Doom and Elden Ring are not :). My PC sleeps essentially while playing those (Doom 2016 at 144 FPS 4K native and Elden Ring at 60 FPS).

Hm, do you have a pagefile? It is silly, but some games will crash randomly when there is no pagefile enabled or if it is set too small. That should not freeze a PC, but you have another straw... .
Last edited by Zephyr; Feb 23 @ 3:19am
Solteris Feb 23 @ 11:19pm 
Just re-seated everything, cleaned everything out. Did a test bench on Cyberpunk at ultra settings + super-extra ray-tracing and still managed 54fps. A very smooth 54fps.

On a lark, I installed HZD:R on my wifes PC and it proceeded to devour 3 bench tests at Low, Medium and ultra-everything. Never fell below 92fps. Her stuff is an oooooold Intel chip. Like, an I7-10700K on a Z570Mobo. It barely broke a sweat.
This has me thinking either a driver, or more likely my AsRock BIOS? idk.
I'm at a damn loss how I can just eat my nastiest games and average 160-230fps in most cases, but this game just wont work.

Re: Pagefile. I have mine set to auto via windows controls. Presently my Total Paging file size is 4608MB Just noticed that there weren't any pagefiles for my game drives. Not sure if that will help. Is the game that badly optimized that 32G of ram isn't enough :D
Zephyr Feb 24 @ 3:55am 
Originally posted by Solteris:
Just re-seated everything, cleaned everything out. Did a test bench on Cyberpunk at ultra settings + super-extra ray-tracing and still managed 54fps. A very smooth 54fps.

On a lark, I installed HZD:R on my wifes PC and it proceeded to devour 3 bench tests at Low, Medium and ultra-everything. Never fell below 92fps. Her stuff is an oooooold Intel chip. Like, an I7-10700K on a Z570Mobo. It barely broke a sweat.
This has me thinking either a driver, or more likely my AsRock BIOS? idk.
I'm at a damn loss how I can just eat my nastiest games and average 160-230fps in most cases, but this game just wont work.

Re: Pagefile. I have mine set to auto via windows controls. Presently my Total Paging file size is 4608MB Just noticed that there weren't any pagefiles for my game drives. Not sure if that will help. Is the game that badly optimized that 32G of ram isn't enough :D
Some games will check for pagefile or dump stuff in there no matter how much RAM you have. Special cases will have random crash issues and the like without pagefile enabled. Strictly pagefile would not be necessary nowadays for games, but if the game is made that way to check for it and put something in there and then there is no pagefile.... . "Unforeseen consequences" :). It is dumb, but it happens. No idea in this case, like I said, just a "last straw". But as long as you have one enabled on "auto" it will not matter where it is. You only need one pagefile in one location.

What performance you get obviously depends on many factors, graphic settings and resolution primarily. The game is not that CPU heavy in general (I would say medium) and a 10700K is not that ancient. So, with the right settings and GPU performance should be great.

You should have 80-90 FPS stable at 4K+ native with your hardware. To be clear: Did you use the RX 7900 XTX from you system in your wife´s PC or a different GPU?
Last edited by Zephyr; Feb 24 @ 3:58am
Solteris Feb 24 @ 3:05pm 
Originally posted by Zephyr:

You should have 80-90 FPS stable at 4K+ native with your hardware. To be clear: Did you use the RX 7900 XTX from you system in your wife´s PC or a different GPU?

She has her own card, a 7900GRE, and running the same GPU drivers from AMD.
She's also running 32GB of DDR4-3000 RAM

So the main differences besides my GPU is the big sister and her CPU being an Intel, is that I've got current gen MOBO and CPU, and the respective drivers. The only thing I can think of is the game isn't stable with them yet? Or that the x870E is still finding it's stride with stability? Grasping at straws here.
Last edited by Solteris; Feb 24 @ 9:41pm
Solteris Feb 24 @ 9:40pm 
New BIOS update just dropped. Did a fresh AMD Cleanup utility run, and fresh chipset and GPU drivers on a clean slate along with it. Still no joy.
Absolutely crushes a cyberpunk benchmark and play-session at max without a hiccup to be seen ever, and never got even close to getting hot.
And I can't even *finish* an in-game benchmark for HZD:R. Still waiting for Nixxes to get back to me with more than "Have you tried to see if maybe it's your system and not our game being incompatible?"
Which, in fairness, it's probably both? I don't know.
Zephyr Feb 25 @ 3:55am 
Originally posted by Solteris:
Which, in fairness, it's probably both? I don't know.

Your system should be fully compatible without any issues. Do you have Horizon forbidden West as well? It is the same engine with the same requirements. If HZD remastered does not run i would expect the same for HFW. Could you test your GPU with your GPU settings in the intel CPU system? Could be interesting and it would basically isolate or clear the GPU as a reason for you, except perhaps for some PSU level stuff (which is unlikely). If it crashes with the 7900 XTX in the Intel system you have your culprit :). Then it would be at least clear if the GPU (or settings) directly is the issue. You could also at the same time put the RX 7900 GRE in your system and test if the game runs then---> if yes, again the RX 7900 XTX is the issue directly or due to conflicts with other components, if no then your system is the issue but we can exclude the RTX 7900 XTX safely.

Like I said, there is NO general compatability reason why there should be an issue in this game with your hardware, but not in other demanding games.
Last edited by Zephyr; Feb 25 @ 3:56am
Solteris Feb 25 @ 6:16am 
Found an old thread that has the same ghost haunting another guy. Plays fine on everything BUT Hzd.
Amusingly, HZD: Complete runs just fine.
I'll see about getting forbidden West. I don't know if my card would fit in my wife's case, 😂 But that would be worth a shot.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1151640/discussions/0/3838801919855786755/
Zephyr Feb 25 @ 6:59am 
Originally posted by Solteris:
Found an old thread that has the same ghost haunting another guy. Plays fine on everything BUT Hzd.
Amusingly, HZD: Complete runs just fine.
I'll see about getting forbidden West. I don't know if my card would fit in my wife's case, 😂 But that would be worth a shot.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1151640/discussions/0/3838801919855786755/
Good luck with the experiments :) At the very least you could try the RX 7900 GRE in your system. That experiment alone would tell us a lot as well.

Some unlucky people with crashes on their systems are always expected for any game I guess. The link you posted sounds like different issues mostly, with random CTD crashes or driver timeouts. Such things are much easier to troubleshoot than random system freezes usually. Often enough a driver update or a clean driver installation with DDU later all is fine. That reminds me:

You did make a clean driver installation after using DDU (Display driver uninstaller), yes? This is important since sometimes a GPU driver can become corrupted and this will often not be fixed by simple updates. Even standard deinstallation might not get everything. In general I would recommend to make a DDU clean installation every 4-5 updates at least. Cumulative updates will often lead to issues over time with the GPU drivers.

Just in case:

https://www.wagnardsoft.com/display-driver-uninstaller-DDU-

Last edited by Zephyr; Feb 25 @ 7:02am
if i can't fix an issue in a day or two (super rare) i always have resorted to fresh system install and that has always worked. your fresh install order should be, windows System, chipset, gpu, steam, HZDR - nothing else
Last edited by GRUNDLESTILTSKIN; Feb 25 @ 7:32am
Solteris Feb 25 @ 10:27am 
Worth a shot.
Solteris Feb 25 @ 10:44am 
Shot in the dark here: would resetting the CMOS battery be worth trying?
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