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Installing steam was easy, All i did was go to apps manager and download steam. As for drivers etc it was all installed for me. All i had to do was change the display driver in the drivers menu.
I have played Prison Architect on linux and it runs just as good as on my windows PC. I am looking to install Mint as a dual boot option on my Desktop PC soon so will give Skylines a try also. I just wanted to get a feel for the Mint OS first and to be honest its easier to use than windows at times.
I currently have around 100 games on my steam libary and there are currently 25 or so titles that can be played natively through linux. This is why I cannot completly drop windows yet but I will also try some games in wine to see how it performs once i have some free time.
There were a few issues with CSL at launch on linux mainly affecting the frame rate, but I assume these have been fixed.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for your good comments Finaldest ; as new LINUX user your details r fresh and of course it's useful for me! 100 games! Pretty! I noted that some of them dont work . So if you have CIV V ; one or more of ''Total war'' collection ; (and i suppose City skyline), could y tell if y met any problem with these games . I quote Europa Universalis that i think maybe to get later. And i dare ;-{} : if it s not too much would y mention all those that work well in a next comment...
Once again thank you
1) Use Ubuntu or at least some ubuntu based distro like Mint or Elementary OS. I like Elementary best but Ubuntu is the only officially supported by Steam distro apart from Steam OS so you're bound to have least problems with it.
2) Consider what video card you have. As a long time AMD user I can guarantee you problems with performance. Their drivers for Linux are pretty bad and their upcomming driver support strategy will probably leave any user that doesn't have a brand new R9 3** card without proper official drivers for Linux. So AMD is not the best option for exclusive Linux gaming. Nvidia drivers are very good and pretty much on par with Windows.
3) However overall performace is always worse. Even with well optimised games run on proper Nvidia cards like 970 or 980 you will not get quite the same performance as in Windows. For example Cities: Skylines will produce more fps on the same hardware in Windows than in Linux. It's not so much driver related problem as DirectX outperforming OpenGL.
4) Don't expect to be doing any gaming with an Intel integrated GPU.
5) Prepare for a number of unexpected problems - anything from missing dependencies to misterious OS related problems that will have to scouring the internet and fiddling with terminal. Honestly - usually it's not that scary and it tends to happen less and less but it is still a lurking problem for some games.
6) Dual boot - chances are you'll always need a Windows partition. Maybe like me you need Photoshop or some other software for work or maybe just for gaming. There is absolutely no reason to lock youtself out of 90% of AAA titles. Yes, Linux gaming has made a quantum leap in the last 3 years but still the majority of big titles are Windows exclusive. Indeed - of the 4 games I've been splitting my (sadly limited) gaming time in the last couple of months - The Witcher 2, Pillars of Eternity, Cities: Skylines and as of couple of days - GTAV, three have native ports (depending who you ask about TW2 ;)) which says a lot about Linux gaming. On the other hand all of these 3 games perform much worse for me in Linux than they do in Windows. They're playable but with an i7 4790k and a 290x I kind of expect Pillars of Eternity to run 60fps all the time... :). And I guarantee - it is not just the driver.
I hope that helps :)
Yes it 's useful!
I mindfully red your summury...
It goes deeply in the subject. You deal with questions i didn t think before.
It' s a good reason to be careful...
I indeed , have an AMD card. It s not new but still works well ( but i have the i7 4790K you quote).
I m sad to be obliged to get an other (especially for my purse that ll be angry with me).
You advice me an Nvidia OK it's memorised.
I am a bit desapointed that i was right ; LINUX is not completely ready, even if they ameliorated hugely the OS. Of course understand that the video games trade marks don t make the effort they should to adapt to LINUX that grab more and more people.
I need to walk slowly , i think
Thanks very much bye
Manjaro Linux (arch based).
Why?
1) This as simple as it can gets really (I've used many other distros, including Fedora, UBUNTU, ElementaryOS, Mandriva, OpenSUSE and Debian)
2) It's rolling release you'll never need to reinstall cause your distro is based on a longterm release (ubuntu 14.04lts for example). You install it and update it, that's all you need.
3) You like the new kernel feature? Well test it. Manjaro let you switch kernels with ease (and handles the annoying driver part also), it's literally just kernel switching.
4) You don't need to bother with PPA's (thing that you need if you deal with apt-get). Learn the combo pacman + pamac and you'll handle anything.
5) You can use the AUR repository. It's the arch linux repository with ridiculous amounts of packages, basically search and you'll find it there.
6) MHWD feature!!!
Manjaro detects your hardware and installs/updates it for you!
mhwd + rolling release = you'll always have the latest drivers to your GPU (and that's critic for gamming)
7) Steam (which already comes in the bundle) runs really really well. Just to give an example when Steam linux was release ppl just coudn't understand how Manjaro could run steam better than ubuntu 12.04 since it was developed to run in ubuntu back then.
8) Newbie friendly community: you can ask them anything and they won't slap you in the face like some other linux users would do (Arch...)
9) Manjaro has a Arch Linux core therefor you can use archlinux wiki and manjaro's wiki to solve your problem (= ridiculously well documented distro).
On my machine I've played:
- DOTA2
- Team Fortress2
- Half Life 2 (all episodes)
- Metro Last Light and 2033 (redux)
- Civilization Beyond Earth
- Interstellar Marines
- Rust
- Planetary Annihilation
- Counter Strike: Global Offensive
- The Witcher 2
- Wargame (First 2 games of Eugen Software)
Lastly, if you have a laptop (hybric GPU), don't forget to run steam with the "primusrun" parameter.
PS:
- All this positive experience was with a GTX 770 and i5 though. So IDK how the AMD support is going these days (fglx).
- If you do need some windows solution don't dual boot (windows updates messed up my grub a cople of times, you just can't trust Microsoft); use virtualization instead (virtualbox).
and since i use linux for work , i like to use it for free time too ,
plus now Linux can be used for "home purposes" too ....
it's easier than windows in everyday activity ...so....
and btw .....it's legally free....
Siddha , welcome
It should have been too well if all of you were all in a perfect agreement...
Your informations about MANJARO that i didn t know r interesting.
I understood you r very enthousiast with MANJARO and it seems easy and effective.
But please, i m not a specialist , and i m not natively english speaker,
i must translate sometimes what you mean.
3) Could you explain simply what 's a kernel exactly ?
Does it mean that you can choose in UBUNTU free software store as in other one?
4) sorry but what 's a PPA's
5) ... and AUR repository? (Maybe ''Arch users reliability??)
''PS: ...don t dual boot (...) ; use virtualisation ...
Could you tell me more about the topic please?
I have a question off. I noticed y have CIV beyond Earth. What do you think about this game?
If you don t mind (i don t want to exagerate ) answer me but take your time ; not urgent.
You also can advice me good reading links.
I m glad to read you Bye!
Sorry, I thought you had some linux experiences before my bad.
I'm not a TEC guy myself, but I've been using linux for the past 3-4 years. In other words I won't be technacly correct, okay? I'll simplify the answers so you can understand it easily.
Questions:
1) What is kernel:
"kernel" is core or "nucleus" in german language.
It's the minimal program (core) which deals with your hardware (minimal = it only does that).
The kernel pick the commands from the user and send them to the hardware he/she has.
The Kernel is what is really called Linux. Almost everything else that you see and use are aplications that run with it (that's why many ppl refuse calling it only linux rather than GNU/ Linux, since you hardly see the kernel without a set of programs with it which were not developed by Linus Torvalds but from other ppl).
That said what a Linux distro does is deliver its own version of the Kernel. So for example, if there's a distro which want to be bleeding edge (= have the latest of something) probably this distro won't need the part of the kernel in which OLD drivers are stored so they take it off.
You see? As they do this customization for their intended user base the kernel shapes itself.
Another analogy that may help you:
Imagine Linux as a generic tecnology: a Car and every component that it needs (engine, tires, etc.)
Distros are executed concept (Ferrari, Lamborgini, etc.) in which developers shape the original concept (car) to a intended public.
Back to the original question, no I didn't mean you could switch a Manjaro kernel for a Ubuntu one. Ferrari will always update but will always offer a new ferrari the same with Lamborguini.
What I meant is that when the concept car evolves (new engines, better tires, beter chassis, etc.) the Distro will offer you this new engine and new tires WITHOUT you having to trade your Ferrari for a new one. Every Kernel update brings new features to your hardware you understand?
In Ubuntu every version of the distro is bounded with a kernel version so it won't receive new features (new engine, chassis, tires, etc.) unless you install a new version of Ubuntu which will be bounded to a new version of the kernel.
In rolling release Distros (like manjaro, arch, altergos, chakram) there's no bounding between the Distro version and the kernel version it runs so you can switch kernel anytime you want WITHOUT having to install a new version of the distro.
Obs: Linux is open, so you can technacly change it at your will (transform a Ferrari into a Lamborguini) but that would be really hard and would take serious amounts of time. I said that you could'nt change the distro's kernel because it's something that is not supported by the distro's developers. You would've to do it yourself.
2) I don't really know how to explain what is PPA. But I can tell you how it works.
When you install something via bash (the terminal) or via ubuntu software application (GUI), it will run the "apt-get install" command.
If the program (package) is within the official repository (like a vault of software maintained by the Distros developers) it install it without a problem.
HOWEVER if it's outsite this official supported programs, Ubuntu won't install it. Instead you'll have to ask for an exception that also include where to find the program.
So in my view PPA is like a authorization that you give your Ubuntu system that it can install something that they don't support.
Maybe PPA are okay. I never liked it cause it seems like ubuntu is saying (install at your own risk) whereas in Arch/Manjaro/Antergos all those packages will be installed without any need for authorization.
Take this as a personal thing okay, maybe PPA is okay. I just don't like to deal with it.
3) AUR = Arch Users Repository
From Archwiki ( https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_User_Repository ):
"The Arch User Repository (AUR) is a community-driven repository for Arch users. It contains package descriptions (PKGBUILDs) that allow you to compile a package from source with makepkg and then install it via pacman. The AUR was created to organize and share new packages from the community and to help expedite popular packages' inclusion into the community repository. This document explains how users can access and utilize the AUR."
4) Virtualization X Dual boot
So basically in dual boot you have 2 Operatin Systems sholder to sholder. Generally linux distros aren't that invasive, it won't mess with anything else you have installed. Windows otherwise (at least in my experience) can mess your linux installation when it updates.
Virtualization on the other hand is only one Operatin systesm installed on the hardware, secound OS is only a "guest" of this "host" Operatin system.
In other words you install the guest OS inside other OS. In a controled environment. There the "guest" OS can crash, fail, etc etc. Without compromising the whole system.
The host OS creates a box in which the guest "thinks" it is been installed on the hardware.
If you want to test anything new, why format and install if you don't know if it will run? No man, try it in a virtual box. There you can see if the Operatin System run well in your hardware without compromising your first installation. It's a controled experiment.
I have a Windows 7 (64bit) installed on this machine, because the digital certification I need to work is Windows only software. So everytime I need to do something there I use my guest systesm (which runs like a program in the host system).
ATENTION: Since host and guest are running on the same hardware. You'll need to define how much resource you'll let your guest take (like setting how much RAM memory the guest will be able to use). So unless you have unlimited hardware resources (with is unlikely) this solution is not very good for gaming. If you want to play some windows only game you'll HAVE to dualboot or use wine (the first obviously works better but brings risk of windows screwing your linux installation).
5) About Civ Beyond Earth
This is my first CIV game. And I liked many of the concepts behind it (turn based rts + weblike tec progression).
That said the game has it's limitations, like the pathetic AI, the shallow diplomacy system and the spy system.
In addition to that CIV players bash this game cause they compair it with another version wich had many expansions (So not a fair comparison).
With all criticsm the multiplayer isn't very popular.
IMO I wouldn't buy it yet. Wait for the first expansion pack and see the fan's reaction.
At least on their official steam foruns they ask what the community want them to develop for the expansion.
Basically, game is ok at best, but can improve if it will we'll have to wait to see.
Yeah I heard about Gentoo myself it's really interesting optimization at it's best. Every program compiled to work exaclty as you wish.
But as I said I'm not a tec guy and the work / learning behind it kinda scares me.
@egnap
You're welcome.
Good that you could understand it all.
Your friend's solution is a very cleaver one and it really should work (I'm almost certain that would work in all cases). The only problem is to manually switch the OS.
Next time you see that friend though suggest virtualization for him he'll love it I'm sure (If not for gamming of course).
If you have any interest learning about what is virtualization watch this ( https://youtu.be/zLJbP6vBk2M?t=2m33s )
2min33secounds to 10minutes should be enough. Don't watch it all. :D
If it's not games you can use virtualization, otherwise you should use dual-booting.
If you want to try linux start with the easiest. Choose between what is considered easy by all linux users. Then as you go deeper into Linux you can make a choice "Do I want to go deeper or not?" (go for harder Distros like Arch, Gentoo, Slackware, etc.).
I like linux cause it's not a product put to sell in a shelf (closed, done).
No, linux is more like a living thing. It evolves in front of you (like natural selection happening in the virtual world).
Watch a bit of this and see if you feel what I mean ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOSqctHH9vY )
Take your time. Linux users choose to use it. And once you taste what freedom is you won't go back to anything else.