Another yet ??different?? LSM question concerning virtual memory

[bsbrdv]

A few days ago, I got a 512GB SSD installed. It is the only Hard Drive. It holds my Windows 10 and my only game, Cities Skylines(except solitaire). After the game was installed everything was great with CS. LSM showed me loading under 1 minute even with 650 assets and I think about 30 Mods. MY virtual memory was at 9 - 10 gb(my pagefile is at 32GB). Things were fantastic. After a few days of happiness in my city I couldn't imagine anything would go wrong. Funny how one day can make a difference. I turn the computer on(loads in under 30 seconds). I load Cities to in-game in from 1:15 to 1:29 and now LSM ends with 16GB in virtual memory in the RED. It doesn't crash, it just loads up like its daring me to try playing. I refuse to continue playing knowing the virtual memory looks wrong.

So, I am not asking for specifics. I know someone is going to tell me the problem is probably with an asset or mod. That's fine, I can deal with that. But my real question is, is it just the memory, virtual or otherwise, that's being affected? I have suitable hardware, AMD quad pro and 16 GB ram with minimum video (Radeon 5670). I am seriously trying to make sense of these things. What bothers me is that the only thing that makes sense is that I am doomed to failures from now on. I want to keep playing Cities but if it becomes more of a waste of time, then what's the point?

Thanks in advance

[MarkJohnson]

The red is only showing you that you have exceeding your RAM. The virtual memory should be fine, even when it is red, as the red is based on RAM usage.

But use windows task manger to find out your actual RAM and virtual memory amounts. Loading screen mod only covers the game's memory. It doesn't include windows or other apps in the total.

In task manager [ctrl][alt]+[esc], then performance, select memory on sidebar.

The in-use is your current total RAM usage in all of windows

The Committed is your current total virtual memory (RAM+Page File) in all of windows.

Hope this makes sense.

[snowflitzer]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2114415052

[bsbrdv]

snowflitzer, thanks again for referring to the guide. Been using that since I first saw you bringing that up maybe a couple months ago.

MarkJohnson, your ever-present assistance is once again much appreciated. While I do not have the game running at this time, here are the memory results:
In use(compressed) - 2.2GB (8.3)GB available, Speed is 667 mhz, 4 of 4 slots used, Form DIMM
Committed - 2.6/21.2 GB
Cached 2.6 GB
Hardware reserved - 1.8 MB .....MB??? is that low?
Paged Pool 216 MB
Non-paged pool 147 MB

So while I did Tech Support a long time ago, I did not get into infrastructure. However, are these last few numbers that are in the MB a little low?

BTW, again, I have 16 GB installed.

Thanks to you both very much.

[bsbrdv]

Snowflitzer, I referred once again to the pagefile guide. I am puzzled. The entries I made are missing. And comparing to the screenshots you provide, in comparison, my space availble is 396098 MB while your screenshot shows 35685 MB so this is 1/10th of what I have. By comparison, should my initial and Maximum size then be about 380000 MB?
BTW, Total paging file size for all drives(I have only the one 512GB SSD) on your screenshot and on my PC are very similar which I thought odd since previous numbers are so different. Minimum allowed on screenshot and my PC are 16 GB. Recommended on my PC is 2943 MB while your Sceenshot is 2930. My Currently allocated with the initial and maximum size blank is only 5376 MB. So I am confused why my fields were blank since I set them up a couple days ago. But right or wrong, it seems something is amiss. If you say it seems something is not right, thats enough for me and I will probably then head to the shop. If you have more information then thanks for everything. ...and sorry for the headache but I am low on Ibuprofen.

[MarkJohnson]

Originally posted by bsbrdv:

snowflitzer, thanks again for referring to the guide. Been using that since I first saw you bringing that up maybe a couple months ago.

MarkJohnson, your ever-present assistance is once again much appreciated. While I do not have the game running at this time, here are the memory results:
In use(compressed) - 2.2GB (8.3)GB available, Speed is 667 mhz, 4 of 4 slots used, Form DIMM
Committed - 2.6/21.2 GB
Cached 2.6 GB
Hardware reserved - 1.8 MB .....MB??? is that low?
Paged Pool 216 MB
Non-paged pool 147 MB

So while I did Tech Support a long time ago, I did not get into infrastructure. However, are these last few numbers that are in the MB a little low?

BTW, again, I have 16 GB installed.

Thanks to you both very much.

The paged pool stuff in internal windows needed files at all times. I've never bothered with anything but Committed and in-use as that is our data from our programs.

[snowflitzer]

Don't stress about it, I am rewriting the whole guide over Xmas, as some technical stuff can be easier explained.

I need to make it clearer that it depends on you, how much you want to add to your pagefile is more dependent on what you use for your city, e.g. assets.

For example, when I use a lot of highrise buildings I need more RAM, much more RAM.
In my latest city, I do not have any highrises as it is a mountain city, therefore I could have more assets as they were smaller.

I will emphasise in the new guide is, that the size needs to be related to your game/computer capabilities.

I make a screenshot when I load my next game so you can see that I use about 45-50GB as per Monitor-IT.

Trying then to provide screenshots from the task manager as well.

But all that said, if you don't have enough RAM and WIndows does create a pagefile or extend it, it is very slow. It will allocate 4096 kb, and then extend it again.

Therefore if you make it fixed, you save yourself the slow process, which can take 30-60 minutes on a Computer with Hard Disk.

There is your benefit as well.

[bsbrdv]

Keep up with the great work. I didn't change the pagefile at all but I am going to try that Maximum limit 380000 to see what happens so I'll hold my breath and grit my teeth. Got another curiosity that just hit me. Do you think Procedural objects requires more RAM? COS if it does, as much as I plan to use it, I may need more RAM but I can't afford too much for awhile. Thanks again snowflitzer.

[bsbrdv]

Originally posted by MarkJohnson:

Originally posted by bsbrdv:

snowflitzer, thanks again for referring to the guide. Been using that since I first saw you bringing that up maybe a couple months ago.

MarkJohnson, your ever-present assistance is once again much appreciated. While I do not have the game running at this time, here are the memory results:
In use(compressed) - 2.2GB (8.3)GB available, Speed is 667 mhz, 4 of 4 slots used, Form DIMM
Committed - 2.6/21.2 GB
Cached 2.6 GB
Hardware reserved - 1.8 MB .....MB??? is that low?
Paged Pool 216 MB
Non-paged pool 147 MB
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The paged pool stuff in internal windows needed files at all times. I've never bothered with anything but Committed and in-use as that is our data from our programs.

I'm going to have to look into that a little more later. Thanks MarkJohnson

[snowflitzer]

Originally posted by bsbrdv:

Keep up with the great work. I didn't change the pagefile at all but I am going to try that Maximum limit 380000 to see what happens so I'll hold my breath and grit my teeth. Got another curiosity that just hit me. Do you think Procedural objects requires more RAM? COS if it does, as much as I plan to use it, I may need more RAM but I can't afford too much for awhile. Thanks again snowflitzer.

Appreciate the kind words, I have a tough time at Xmas due to Mental Health. Glad I can help. As far as I know, most people use PO because it actually uses less RAM.

[bsbrdv]

Originally posted by snowflitzer:

Originally posted by bsbrdv:

Keep up with the great work. I didn't change the pagefile at all but I am going to try that Maximum limit 380000 to see what happens so I'll hold my breath and grit my teeth. Got another curiosity that just hit me. Do you think Procedural objects requires more RAM? COS if it does, as much as I plan to use it, I may need more RAM but I can't afford too much for awhile. Thanks again snowflitzer.

Appreciate the kind words, I have a tough time at Xmas due to Mental Health. Glad I can help. As far as I know, most people use PO because it actually uses less RAM.

Best wishes for you during the holiday season.