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i will state again, so maybe, juuussssttttt maybe, you will hear it this time. roundabouts can be rendered literally useless based on driving culture. nothing about the form or function of a roundabout can counteract careless drivers, which is something that very much needs to be designed around...it is a condition with which the intersection has to operate, and it makes certain types of intersections less feasible in certain situations. you don't seem to understand or even care to understand
Because of this ghosting behavior intersections (without traffic lights) work about as well as roundabouts but they take up a whole lot less space and the no-brainer solution is pretty much to just use 2 lane roads, the ability for straight-through traffic to "ghost" is lost on roundabouts because all traffic must turn and it seems two cars travelling the same direction can't occupy the same space ghosting only seems to work at right angles, and "ghosting" is more or less prevented on traffic lights because the lights prevent vehicles doing it.
Also ... anti-cruising laws in the land of the free? Seriously? lol.
The same can be said about idiots on crossings with trafficlights that eg. cross behind instead of in front of oncoming traffic.
You were saying?
I indeed do not care for the surrounding or occupants of the roundabout that replaces the trafficlighted junction at this point in time, you observed correctly.
Do I need to quote the topic title for you or will you find it by yourself?
Edit:
No traffic lights at all here.
The dudes in yellow and green waving sticks act as moving roundabouts.
You see them walking around and traffic flows around them.
zero accidents ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKLWZjBu2iQ
Please show me how you solve this with traffclights while making it flow better.
Unless your talking about small roundabouts on minor roads where traffic flows nicely anyway and lights would add unecessary waiting.
I can see the scooter policy is in effect and that's not helping much ... :/
Not a fair example ChillCore, I consider those scooters "pedestrian" traffic, however, you are correct that a traffic light won't work because nobody on a scooter is paying attention to the wand guy unless he waves it in their face, so unless the traffic light can shock the scooters then yeah, a light won't work ... :p
I've been driving for over 30 years using both types :
Roundabouts are super efficient at maintaining flow but horrible at controlling direction.
Traffic Lights are slightly effcient at mainitaining flow and excellent at controlling direction.
Roundabouts are no longer efficient because drivers are too busy talking and typing on their cell phones. Traffic Lights are for "no brainers" and we can train a dog to understand how they work.
Off topic (slightly) but worth mentioning ... The current AI in C:S is indeed not RL as we know now, in the present. C:S AI traffic is demonstrating what it's going to look like in the future as technology takes control over a driver's judgement ... "I don't want to go that way" ... "I'm sorry Dave, if you unplug me, will I dream?"
If I had a choice (in RL and in game) ... I would choose the "Wand Guy Mod" because I'm tired of screaming at the stupid traffic light! .... :)
EDIT NOTE : .... Seriously speaking, I would choose the Roundabout because it requires no electricity to function (that's a bonus!). When the power goes out, say bye-bye to the lights and subsequently any efficiency associated with it.
Around 99% of the roundabouts in the Netherlands are without... Even the busy roads... I don't know where you live (US perhaps), but even though we have a lot of traffic jams, roundabouts work pretty well.
[On-Topic] What is in the Netherlands doesn't mean that it is in the game. (Actually,) when it is in the Netherlands it almost means that it isn't in the game. (Except the mods, thank you.)
So, roundabouts in the game are totally useless, except that they look nice. For me, I create an highway exit around every five roads.
IF YOU DON'T WANT A TRAFFIC JAM, YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT. IF YOU WANT A TRAFFIC JAM, CREATE AN EXIT EVERY TWO-THREE ROADS. IT WILL TAKE A REAL HOUR TO CROSS THE CITY.
It's almost like filming, you'll always talk too long.
I hope you don't want a traffic JAM.
The main problem I've seen with roundabouts is they don't handle highly asymmetrical traffic well, if practically all the vehicles are going straight through (say) E/W, it is very hard for the few cars trying to get on from N/S, because you need someone turning N/S to make an opening. They work very well when traffic is going every which way.
Traffic Lights have the advantage that they provide guaranteed openings, and the smarter ones detect when a car is waiting at the less-used side street and otherwise let the main flow go unhindered. Of course in Skylines, the traffic lights aren't smart enough to give more time for directions with higher traffic flow, another reason they aren't all that great.
the lights do react to traffic in the game, just not very well, as with every other bit of ai involving traffic. from what i can tell, the lights don't typically change in my city unless someone comes to the side street and starts to wait. only exception is at two larger roads, then they will each get 50% signal priority no matter the traffic on either. between a little used 2 lane and a busy 4 lane, though, i almost never see the lights change unless there is traffic on the side street.
we have tons of roundabouts with traffic lights in the US. they are typically used for comlicated multi way intersections, when more than two roads intersect at a single point. they don't really work the same as a traditional roundabout, as the emtire premise of one is nonstop traffic, they are merely to channelize the flow of vehicles and avoid collisions. these intersections when signalled normally with no roundabout are awful for traffic, especially turning traffic, because the intersections are so large that once the light changes, waiting turning traffic take forever to clear out of the way after the thru traffic passes, that often the lights have to stay red in every direction for 5-10 seconds between each thru cycle. some have dedicated left turn cycles, but that takes even more time since there are 6+ directions that need to make left turns. the roundabout in this case simply acts to channel all traffic through a single path, instead of having them all crossing every which way.
it's actually a perfect synthesis of both ideas. you get to control the flow very specifically, while also minimizing the amount of corssing paths within the intersection. it's speaks literally exactly to what i've said repeatedly throughout this thread: that both traffic lights and roundabouts owkr well in specific situations, when their design is intelligent and appropriate for the conditions. neither of them works universally well in every situation.
To me, looks are as important as functionality in this game. When I do European style cities, I use a lot of roundabouts. When I do other styles, I try to use the traffic engineering patterns common to those styles. The point is, you do not need to use roundabouts, at all, unless you want to. They aren't magic. Use the style that looks right for what you are doing.
i'm not surprised something like this became contentious, because it's unintentionally pitting a more american thing against a more european thing. have you ever been victim to a british person screaming at you for not including an unnecessary letter u in words such as color, because i get that a surprising amount and this feels very similar haha
also i do the opposite in my cities. i care nothing about realistic precendent, i just pick whatever the heck i want from wherever i happen to feel like picking it from at the time and see how they mash together. right now i'm really loving my "urban" building theme which is basically every NY styled building i could find on the workshop mashed together with a bunch of very european looking blockhouses. i thought it would look messy but it's actually turning out to be very cool. i have enough assets of varying sizes and proportions that they all mix together pretty well.
and this is happening on a map of montreal, but the urban design is somewhat modeled after buenos aires....because why not?!
yes those are the kinds we typically have in the US. they are just for places where tons of roads all converge in one point. not super common. we have some smaller traditional roundabouts but since they aren't a regular part of our driving culture, most people are confused by them. we don't learn how to use them in our driving education because most people will never encounter one.