University Not Full

[Stringer Bell]

My education panel says there are 6xxx people eligible for university, I have 3 in my city -- a capacity of 15,000 which far exceeds the demand, but the problem is when I click on a university, it says university students in the city only numbers about 3xxx.

I know some of you might think it's got to do with road connections, but they are all placed in pretty accessible places in the city, two in residential areas and one in an office district, all linked with metro / buses, and the thing is each of these universities only has an enrollment of 1,xxx -- more or less the same so I strongly doubt the location is what's causing the discrepancy.

I guess I just can't figure out why there's this discrepancy between demand + actually enrolled students in universities, the same doesn't seem to appear for my elementary / high schools.

[rovaira2]

I noticed that with the Universities it hardly shows anyone attending as well, and I have at least 3+.

[Daveyboy]

I've noticed this since After Dark as well. Not sure if it's to do with After Dark but I don't remember ever seeing this prior to the expansion.
I'm thinking it's probably a change in behavior so that not all eligable students choose to go to university anymore, even when not using the schools out policy.
Or maybe there's a max coverage radius, I doubt it though.

[Stringer Bell]

Well, good to know I'm not the only one with experiencing this "glitch"! : ) Thanks guys

[Useless Noodle]

you forgot one thing, the other facilities such as middle school and high school. CIM can transfer into next higher education level only when they are already in lower one when reaching certain ages.

[Stringer Bell]

I assume when the simulator tells me there are 6xxx people eligible, that means there are 6xxx high school graduates who are now prepared to move onto university, no?

[rovaira2]

I've been building a lot of elementary and high schools. If you click on your other schools you'll probably notice they are full.

[Stringer Bell]

Yeah, same here, the total number of grade school and high school students seem to tally with the eligible figures in the panel, but it is really off for university.

[Crunchberry947]

It sounds like one of your mods might have capped your "Citizen Units" with phantom units. If you are clicking any of your schools, and the tooltip says there are 0 (or very few) students at that school but the infoview says there are hundreds or even thousands of eligible students, then it sounds like your "Citizen Units" are capped. Citizen Units are not actual citizens, but they are anything that holds groups of citizens like cars, households, etc, and there should be about the same number of Citizen Units as there are Citizens. There are some mods that bug out and create extra phanotom units...particularly AVO (Advanced Vehicle Options) had this bug but is now fixed. However, just because the mod is fixed, it doesnt mean that all the phantom units in your city are gone.

Get the CSL Show More Limits mod and check your limits. If your Citizen Units are capped by phantom units, then it can be fixed with a mod like Improved Public Transport. IPT used to have this problem of creating phantom units, and IPT now has code in the mod to remove the phantom Citizen Units. Just load a save game with IPT enabled and you will see that your Citizen Units are back to normal. You can then save the fixed city, and disable IPT if you choose. Once the phantom units are gone, you dont need IPT anymore unless you just want to use it.

There are other bugs in a city that capped Citizen Units will cause. Most common is unused housing. You will build entire neighborhoods and all the residntial buildings will stay empty (0 households occupied). This can be easily seen by viewing the Happiness Infoview Map. You will see multiple residential buildings showing as bright red indicating they are empty. Other bugs include broken public transport, you will notice that no one is taking your once thriving bus or metro system. There might be a bunch of people standing around at the stops, but you will notice that they never get onto the transport.

Hopefully this helps you solve your problem. Cheers!

[Stringer Bell]

Thanks Crunchberry947, I have not used any mods and am playing the game vanilla. The only mod I have ever used (in my previous cities) is the first camera mod. I actually loaded one of my old cities and found the exact same problem with university.

I don't see any empty housing or buses / metro in my city at the moment, so I don't think capped Citizen Units is what's causing the problem.

So, I assume your universities are all fully occupied, or at least there is no discrepancy between the number of citizens eligible for universities and the actual number of students in universities?

[Stringer Bell]

I just looked at the wiki again and it seems that CIMs can prioratize employment over education -- maybe that's why!!! Some CIMs graduate from high school and they decide to join the workforce instead of going to college : D Whereas for kids and teenagers, almost all of them go through elementary and high schools if they are eligible. I read from the wiki that maybe I need to set the education boost policy in district to encourage eligible citizens to go to college!

[Sanctioner]

3,000 is about twice as many as I've ever been able to get, despite having adequate levels of students in elementary and high school. None are ever full and nearly all homes are blue. I didn't see a change with the expansion.

I've always blamed it on a lack of available zoning that reduces demand for a college education. I always have lots of manufacturing and few office zones. My theory is if most jobs require little education, there's no need to go to higher schools. I haven't tested it out yet though. Try adding lots of office zone that demands higher education.

[Crunchberry947]

Sigh, I see now that i completely misread your OP and thought that you had no students going to the schools...oh well, lol. I will say that it takes quite a while in the life of a city before you get lots of people to attend the university. I think that from the start, students have to go through the progression of schools, therefore, it just takes time. Also, all high school students will not go to university either...I think the percentages depend on your city status and demands. One last thing, if you are using the new policy "School's Out" then very few students will continue on from high school to univ.

[joewagner501]

I think Sanctioner has it right. I've noticed my university attendance goes up when I have high tier commercial or offices that require higher education. If I don't have a lot of those, most of the high school graduates get jobs on the farm or in factories.

[ms6615]

Originally posted by StringerMarcus:

I just looked at the wiki again and it seems that CIMs can prioratize employment over education -- maybe that's why!!! Some CIMs graduate from high school and they decide to join the workforce instead of going to college : D Whereas for kids and teenagers, almost all of them go through elementary and high schools if they are eligible. I read from the wiki that maybe I need to set the education boost policy in district to encourage eligible citizens to go to college!

this is what i was going to say but you've already discovered it. this is what is happening in your city. just like real life, certain levels of education are compulsory and others are optional. the number of eligible for univeristy is not the amount that will actually choose to go to university.

[ms6615]

Originally posted by Sanctioner:

3,000 is about twice as many as I've ever been able to get, despite having adequate levels of students in elementary and high school. None are ever full and nearly all homes are blue. I didn't see a change with the expansion.

I've always blamed it on a lack of available zoning that reduces demand for a college education. I always have lots of manufacturing and few office zones. My theory is if most jobs require little education, there's no need to go to higher schools. I haven't tested it out yet though. Try adding lots of office zone that demands higher education.

i usually build the opposite. tons and tons of offices in central business district fed by suburbs, and massive university attendances, almost everyone who is eligible will attend.