Why did people stop using public transport?

[LesbianVolleyball]

So when I’ve had 120k people I’ve had 7k residents using public transport, I’ve built couple more districts and now got 202k, I’ve got a bunch of buses, ferries, metros and trams with convenient hubs and some of those stations have 500-1200 passengers per week, and it’s great, however there’s significantly less residents that use public transport, it’s 3911 right now (and 3816 tourists).
I’ve got 83% traffic flaw at day, which I consider okay considering the population, so it’s not particularly a problem, however I don’t like the fact that so much of my public transport is just unused, and I like it too much to get rid of some of it, any advise?

[Stealthy]

Do you have bike lanes and encourage biking policy enabled?

[Richie]

i never understood this. i would have so many people using transportation, sometimes 1000's at some stops, working my butt off trying to get service, day after day, then out of no where the next time i load the city, i'm lucky if there is 3 or 4 people waiting at stops. this also happens in the Xbox version.

[buttawise]

if people aren't using public transport its because it's easier to get around other ways. Probably too many stops or they don't go far enough away to meaningful destinations. Sounds like you have the game figured out tho given your population and traffic%. I operate from 70-80% traffic and even manage to make money using busses and trams and subways in conjuction. Not all the time but sometimes usually either the busses or metros will be positive because I've laid them out quite perfectly. I'm pretty amazing though.

[LesbianVolleyball]

Originally posted by Stealthy:

Do you have bike lanes and encourage biking policy enabled?

Yes, however turning off encourage biking didn’t do anything for me, besides before people were using public transport more with encourage biking on in every district so I’m a bit confused

[LesbianVolleyball]

Originally posted by buttawise:

if people aren't using public transport its because it's easier to get around other ways. Probably too many stops or they don't go far enough away to meaningful destinations. Sounds like you have the game figured out tho given your population and traffic%. I operate from 70-80% traffic and even manage to make money using busses and trams and subways in conjuction. Not all the time but sometimes usually either the busses or metros will be positive because I've laid them out quite perfectly. I'm pretty amazing though.

Idk, I’ve seen a person biking all the way through the entire city instead of using a metro station that’s nearby, not sure it’s more convenient lol
Also, impressive, I’ve never managed to get profit off of public transportation, but to be fair it’s not supposed to be the goal since it’s mostly about convenience and traffic flaw, I wish I could figure it out though and at least not loosing much money off it

[Stealthy]

That is quite strange that biking policy increases public transit count, but I guess not impossible since it is happening.

Key to profitable mass transit is to use hierarchy, buses feed trams, trams feed metros. And other way round. Peeps do change few times along their trip so this way works well. Also, don't overbuild the infra. Trains are very difficult to make profit with, metro is possible, trams again pretty tough but buses are easy. Just adjust the amount of buses and size to match. This way, fewest vehicles with large capacity will serve the line and keep the cost down.

But as for why they don't use your transit, maybe you could share your save? Would be easier to analyze what's happening.

[LesbianVolleyball]

Originally posted by Stealthy:

That is quite strange that biking policy increases public transit count, but I guess not impossible since it is happening.

Key to profitable mass transit is to use hierarchy, buses feed trams, trams feed metros. And other way round. Peeps do change few times along their trip so this way works well. Also, don't overbuild the infra. Trains are very difficult to make profit with, metro is possible, trams again pretty tough but buses are easy. Just adjust the amount of buses and size to match. This way, fewest vehicles with large capacity will serve the line and keep the cost down.

But as for why they don't use your transit, maybe you could share your save? Would be easier to analyze what's happening.

I’m having doubts about how I did this cause it looks a bit chaotic haha, so I really wish I could to learn what exactly went wrong, but I’ve made a mistake buying cities and dlc’s on epic games so I’ve got no clue how to share it here

[Stealthy]

Ah, Epic is a bit different thing. Maybe then you can dropbox / google drive / whatever your save file. It's in c:/users/"your account"/appdata/local/colossal order/cities skylines/saves.

[LesbianVolleyball]

Originally posted by Stealthy:

Ah, Epic is a bit different thing. Maybe then you can dropbox / google drive / whatever your save file. It's in c:/users/"your account"/appdata/local/colossal order/cities skylines/saves.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hHAQR2obCOGJZCquy8bnspCv65CSa44E/view?usp=sharing

[Stealthy]

Can you change the access settings? Not allowed to see it currently.

[DD]

May not work for you but I always install a city wide, 120u metro grid system, for public transportation, on a 25 tile map. Puts everybody within 85u walking distance of everything in the city. The larger my city gets, the more deserted the city sidewalks and streets appear to be.

[LesbianVolleyball]

Originally posted by Stealthy:

Can you change the access settings? Not allowed to see it currently.

It should work now

[Stealthy]

Thanks.

Had a look. First of all you got nicely spread out city in a way that there is all types of zones everywhere. This reduces the need for travel and thus reduces your transit usage.

Mass transit itself is a bit longwinded and convoluted. Complicated and extremely long lines competing against each others. If you want to increase mass transit usage, straighten up your metro lines, use shorter (say max 5km) long tram lines to feed the metro stations and then buses to feed tram / metro stations.

This way your citizens can make trips quickly and in efficient manner to encourage them for using the lines when needed.

One other thing I noticed that you don't have any road hierarchy, collectors and arterials are missing and that causes some traffic issues, especially around some of the industrial zones. This makes queues long and you are about to hit the vehicle limit, less than 1000 vehicles to go. It would be beneficial to do a little modification and add 4-lane and 6-lanes roads so that 2-lane roads provide access, 4-lane roads collect traffic from these roads and then feed it onwards to 6-lane arterials. You could also consider doing a ring road around your city.

Other than that, I don't see any other problems regarding mass transit and traffic in general.

If you want to have a sample on road hierarchy, my workshop city "Verburg - something fishy" is built on that same map.

[LesbianVolleyball]

Originally posted by Stealthy:

Thanks.

Had a look. First of all you got nicely spread out city in a way that there is all types of zones everywhere. This reduces the need for travel and thus reduces your transit usage.

Mass transit itself is a bit longwinded and convoluted. Complicated and extremely long lines competing against each others. If you want to increase mass transit usage, straighten up your metro lines, use shorter (say max 5km) long tram lines to feed the metro stations and then buses to feed tram / metro stations.

This way your citizens can make trips quickly and in efficient manner to encourage them for using the lines when needed.

One other thing I noticed that you don't have any road hierarchy, collectors and arterials are missing and that causes some traffic issues, especially around some of the industrial zones. This makes queues long and you are about to hit the vehicle limit, less than 1000 vehicles to go. It would be beneficial to do a little modification and add 4-lane and 6-lanes roads so that 2-lane roads provide access, 4-lane roads collect traffic from these roads and then feed it onwards to 6-lane arterials. You could also consider doing a ring road around your city.

Other than that, I don't see any other problems regarding mass transit and traffic in general.

If you want to have a sample on road hierarchy, my workshop city "Verburg - something fishy" is built on that same map.

Thanks! I went along with European practices and make sure that I discourage everyone driving on car and use public transport/bikes, and it seems to have worked for the most part, I mean, traffic flaw in general is all right, however, yes, I do have problems with my industrial district, and I’m uncertain about how can I fix it without demolishing half of it to build bigger roads.
Also, ring road sounds like a good idea, but same problem here, I don’t wanna demolish houses to build it, I’ll look into that

[Stealthy]

You should have the narrow 4-lane roads as they are part of the vanilla game. Use them to help. If you don't use ban on biking on sidewalks, people will still bike along them.

And you could ensure that there is a metro station or 2 in each industry area, then use small and short 5-6 stop bus routes to haul people from metro to their workplaces. Then get rid of the bike lanes and use those 4-lane roads. That should work.

Emailed you a link back to a city with increased tile count, have a look. It will work for you and won't break with the updates.