Where can I put commercial zone?

[Knugen]

Do i "need" to place them adjacent to residential zones?

[OneJasonBradly]

You do not NEED to place them in any special place. It would be good to place them close to residents. Though keep in mind the noise they put out and how that effect residents. I often place commercial on common roads not local streets. Though I will place a single or so asset to represent a corner store or convenience store. There is no reason to place commercial adjacent to residential except for the convenience of the thing. I would say where ever you place them make transit stops available to attract citizens and tourists to commercial, so you get the customers needed to make commercial successful in that area.

[Ripp]

Best place would be on someone else's map.

Instead of commercial build office space. It provides room for both small retail shops (commercial) and office workers (jobs) that count against both commercial and industrial demands. Also way more quieter and far less polluting.

[Northsun99]

I intersperse commercial zones inside my residential blocks as a kind of "corner store". Don't put too many too close together or the noise can make residents sick. It makes for nice, walkable cities with lower traffic.

Contrary to Xeyld's claims, you CANNOT replace them with office zones (office fulfills industrial demand, and has no effect on the commercial demand of your city.) : https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning

[OneJasonBradly]

Originally posted by Northsun99:

I intersperse commercial zones inside my residential blocks as a kind of "corner store". Don't put too many too close together or the noise can make residents sick. It makes for nice, walkable cities with lower traffic.

Contrary to Xeyld's claims, you CANNOT replace them with office zones (office fulfills industrial demand, and has no effect on the commercial demand of your city.) : https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning

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[Imhotep]

Traditionally, a city will have a city-centre with higher-density commercial buildings, selling more high-end/luxury-type goods, and more localized low-density commercial areas in neighbourhoods across the city, serving the more day-to-day needs of the local populace.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2804257497

[AimlessArrow]

i plop them (high densities) around my office skyscrapers. Or in a separate area off of a highway junction. But never in the vicinity of my industrial or HD residential areas. Thats kill my road networks there quickly.

[Ripp]

Originally posted by OneJasonBradly:

Contrary to Xeyld's claims, you CANNOT replace them with office zones (office fulfills industrial demand, and has no effect on the commercial demand of your city.) : https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning

OJB is absolutely correct. Zoning office space instead of commercial will not relieve RCI
demand for commercial. But your city's citizens won't know the difference and be just as happy to do their shopping in an office building as they were to do it at a commercially zoned store. So the bottom line as Jas well knows is that you can remove commercial zoning and replace it with office space and simply ignore the RCI demand for commercial. Every thing in the game will work as normal. Citizens well all remain happy. Noise levels and pollution will be reduced. And you can still use R.I.C.O. to plop the occasional Outback or Black Angus if you wish.

But you need not take my word for it. In fact I prefer you don't simply take any one at their word but instead that you try it for your self. I didn't believe it either, until I tried it.

[Tsubame ⭐]

There is no "need" to to anything in particular. You can place them close or far from residential zones, people will just travel there by car or transit.

[Northsun99]

Originally posted by Xeyeld/holeymoe:

Originally posted by OneJasonBradly:

Contrary to Xeyld's claims, you CANNOT replace them with office zones (office fulfills industrial demand, and has no effect on the commercial demand of your city.) : https://skylines.paradoxwikis.com/Zoning

OJB is absolutely correct. Zoning office space instead of commercial will not relieve RCI
demand for commercial. But your city's citizens won't know the difference and be just as happy to do their shopping in an office building

I'm the one who write that (OJB simply did a QFT), and the link I posted says explicitly "Office zones provide pollution-free jobs for citizens of higher education levels, but it doesn't produce any goods."

The only exception to this (linked from the page) is IT Cluster specialized areas - they produce goods for your commercial zones and to export.

Cims will work at offices, but they will not (and cannot) shop there, so you cannot replace commercial zones with offices.

[Ripp]

Originally posted by Northsun99:

I'm the one who write that (OJB simply did a QFT), and the link I posted says explicitly "Office zones provide pollution-free jobs for citizens of higher education levels, but it doesn't produce any goods."

The only exception to this (linked from the page) is IT Cluster specialized areas - they produce goods for your commercial zones and to export.

Cims will work at offices, but they will not (and cannot) shop there, so you cannot replace commercial zones with offices.

interpret it any way you wish but if you build sufficient office space your city and your citizens will happily get along just fine without commercial. There will be no complaints about not enough goods to sell or customers to serve, You'll get no notices about citizens needing a place to shop. And regardless of what it says in the wiki it isn't restricted to only IT Cluster. Unless IT Cluster is just another way of saying DLC.

You can correct me any which way you want and as often as you choose. As far as I know that is what discussion means.

Fact is I always start every map by building out water, power, all four (OOFF) Industries, Unique Factories, Cargo shipping air and rail. After that I build out a citywide metro grid then start zoning residential. Along with residential I zone enough office to create jobs for everyone who wants one. I NEVER zone ANY commercial. No one seems to notice. Everything works as expected, no one complains, money roles in, and everyone is HAPPY.

So tell me or others it can't be done if you want to. Doesn't change the fact that I've done it and will continue to do it until such time as someone comes up with a better way to go about it.

[OneJasonBradly]

Originally posted by Xeyeld/holeymoe:

Originally posted by Northsun99:

I'm the one who write that (OJB simply did a QFT), and the link I posted says explicitly "Office zones provide pollution-free jobs for citizens of higher education levels, but it doesn't produce any goods."

The only exception to this (linked from the page) is IT Cluster specialized areas - they produce goods for your commercial zones and to export.

Cims will work at offices, but they will not (and cannot) shop there, so you cannot replace commercial zones with offices.

interpret it any way you wish but if you build sufficient office space your city and your citizens will happily get along just fine without commercial. There will be no complaints about not enough goods to sell or customers to serve, You'll get no notices about citizens needing a place to shop. And regardless of what it says in the wiki it isn't restricted to only IT Cluster. Unless IT Cluster is just another way of saying DLC.

You can correct me any which way you want and as often as you choose. As far as I know that is what discussion means.

Fact is I always start every map by building out water, power, all four (OOFF) Industries, Unique Factories, Cargo shipping air and rail. After that I build out a citywide metro grid then start zoning residential. Along with residential I zone enough office to create jobs for everyone who wants one. I NEVER zone ANY commercial. No one seems to notice. Everything works as expected, no one complains, money roles in, and everyone is HAPPY.

So tell me or others it can't be done if you want to. Doesn't change the fact that I've done it and will continue to do it until such time as someone comes up with a better way to go about it.

That's all-n- good but when I play and don't use industry to serve my cities employment. I don't believe it gives me the right to tell everyone that commercial has industry in them. Like you state about offices.

Originally posted by Xeyeld/holeymoe:

Best place would be on someone else's map.

It provides room for both small retail shops (commercial) and office workers (jobs) that count against both commercial and industrial demands. Also way more quieter and far less polluting.

Bottom line So others don't confuse the issue like you seem to enjoy to. Is, Commercial and offices provide jobs this does not mean that inside offices there is commercial shops.
Also in no way does placing/zoning offices effect the commercial demand, ever. Like you claim here, To be blunt.

[Ripp]

OJB
You quoted it and miss quoted both. As usual, Your post reputes comments that were never made or inferred. But keep on trying. You are getting better at it.

[OneJasonBradly]

Originally posted by Xeyeld/holeymoe:

OJB
You quoted it and miss quoted both. As usual, Your post reputes comments that were never made or inferred. But keep on trying. You are getting better at it.

Oh, I don't think I did but thanks for being inspiring.

[Ripp]

Originally posted by OneJasonBradly:

Originally posted by Xeyeld/holeymoe:

OJB
You quoted it and miss quoted both. As usual, Your post reputes comments that were never made or inferred. But keep on trying. You are getting better at it.

Oh, I don't think I did but thanks for being inspiring.

That's alright you'll probably start thawing out a bit in a couple of months. :)