I will never buy a game published by Paradox again (because of launcher)

[thomas002003]

I'm sorry but none of the arguments given by Paradox regarding the launcher can convince me that this launcher is a good thing for players.

I don't want ads nor paradox product annoucements nor "sale notification" nor "create a paradox account" nor telemetry (it's spying unless I can opt out). Period.

Hey Paradox, if you want to do something for players, please invest your time and money in game development and not in an useless launcher.

You already did the same on Prison Architect, and wrecked the evaluation of what was a very good game (until launcher apparition). Now, you do the same on this game.

If you don't want all the negative feedbacks on your games because of your launcher, just don't add launcher to the games or at least, give players the choice to not use it.

[ChillCore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

Sorry to interrupt - "legal" would mean "by LAW".
EULA is not law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all).

Transaction was legal, but "agreement" to EULA - not necessarily.
At least not in my country, and not in EU.

I said illegal, so the law won't do diddly about it regardless of how ethical or unethical the new launcher may be too you.

Illegal ... so against the law but still refering to legal as in by law?

I just can not help but think of this song right now ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cK5ZGzCflI

[Apples]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

I said illegal, so the law won't do diddly about it regardless of how ethical or unethical the new launcher may be too you.

Illegal ... so against the law but still refering to legal as in by law?

I just can not help but think of this song right now ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cK5ZGzCflI

EULA may not be "law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all)." but it's certainly not illegal to have it, or even update it in which you have to "accept" again.


Have issues? go here:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/



That's the only way you lot are going to win this, and i doubt Paradox are doing anything unlawful/against the GDPR.



- And spam someone else with your minecraft ♥♥♥♥.

[Ms.TAKE]

@ChillCore
I'm so confused right now... that song is disturbing, at least :D

[Ms.TAKE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

(...)
EULA may not be "law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all)." but it's certainly not illegal to have it, or even update it in which you have to "accept" again.

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

[Apples]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

(...)
EULA may not be "law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all)." but it's certainly not illegal to have it, or even update it in which you have to "accept" again.

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

Oh please enlighten me!

Hell take them to court over it, and prove me wrong that way, that's the easiest way to solve this entire thread!

[ChillCore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

Illegal ... so against the law but still refering to legal as in by law?

I just can not help but think of this song right now ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cK5ZGzCflI

EULA may not be "law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all)." but it's certainly not illegal to have it, or even update it in which you have to "accept" again.


Have issues? go here:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/



That's the only way you lot are going to win this, and i doubt Paradox are doing anything unlawful.

I click yes on EULAs all the time ... without reading them at all ...
I mean I've read plenty since the 80's to know they are all BS where I live and where Paradox lives too.
They are just hoping 'simple peeps' just accept what they are reading without thinking (read:researching) too much and often enough that works pretty well.



For example ... I just bought 9 more games here on steam and for personal info what I filled in is complete and utter garbage BS knowing full well they would end up in my library anyways and they did.

^^^ Steam's TOS means ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as my consumer protection laws trump those. I mean ... I'm not about to 'cheat the system' but I'm not about to just give up my privacy neither because some randos ask for me to do so.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Have issues? go here:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/



That's the only way you lot are going to win this, and i doubt Paradox are doing anything unlawful/against the GDPR.

I don't have issues at all ... so going nowhere.
GDPR has nothing to do with not having to accept a one sided change to some BS EULA.

- And spam someone else with your minecraft ♥♥♥♥.

I just mentioned that song coming to mind ... keep digging ... straight down. It'll be fine I'm sure.

[ChillCore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

@ChillCore
I'm so confused right now... that song is disturbing, at least :D

It is ... sorry about that. :P

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

(...)
EULA may not be "law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all)." but it's certainly not illegal to have it, or even update it in which you have to "accept" again.

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

He does not ... poor thing. xD

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

Oh please enlighten me!

Useless exercise.

Hell take them to court over it, and prove me wrong that way, that's the easiest way to solve this entire thread!

Why don't you? None of us reasonable peeps is going to waste money on this.

[Ms.TAKE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

Oh please enlighten me!

Hell take them to court over it, and prove me wrong that way, that's the easiest way to solve this entire thread!

I'm so sorry, truly, but it's not possible to enlighten anyone.
Truth must find it's way.

[Apples]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

EULA may not be "law (no criminal prosecution involved at all). Civil's court jurisdiction (if at all)." but it's certainly not illegal to have it, or even update it in which you have to "accept" again.


Have issues? go here:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/



That's the only way you lot are going to win this, and i doubt Paradox are doing anything unlawful.

I click yes on EULAs all the time ... without reading them at all ...
I mean I've read plenty since the 80's to know they are all BS where I live and where Paradox lives too.
They are just hoping 'simple peeps' just accept what they are reading without thinking (read:researching) too much and often enough that works pretty well.



For example ... I just bought 9 more games here on steam and for personal info what I filled in is complete and utter garbage BS knowing full well they would end up in my library anyways and they did.

^^^ Steam's TOS means ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as my consumer protection laws trump those. I mean ... I'm not about to 'cheat the system' but I'm not about to just give up my privacy neither because some randos ask for me to do so.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Have issues? go here:

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-data-protection/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/



That's the only way you lot are going to win this, and i doubt Paradox are doing anything unlawful/against the GDPR.

I don't have issues at all ... so going nowhere.
GDPR has nothing to do with not having to accept a one sided change to some BS EULA.

- And spam someone else with your minecraft ♥♥♥♥.

I just mentioned that song coming to mind ... keep digging ... straight down. It'll be fine I'm sure.

You should really read the replies, you would know exactly what i was replying too and talking about. My discussion isn't directly with you, you just jumped on in and decided to throw in a video for the "luls" as though you dropped some kind of bombshell and solved this entire debate.

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

I don't have issues at all ... so going nowhere.

Then please don't reply to me.

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

@ChillCore
I'm so confused right now... that song is disturbing, at least :D

It is ... sorry about that. :P

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

He does not ... poor thing. xD

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Oh please enlighten me!

Useless exercise.

Hell take them to court over it, and prove me wrong that way, that's the easiest way to solve this entire thread!

Why don't you? None of us reasonable peeps is going to waste money on this.

"Reasonable" good joke, they have already wasted money by buying a game they will no longer play because Paradox decided to introduce a Launcher.


And cost? well you lot obviously know what you're talking about, and there are thousands and thousands of people being robbed of their privacy right now while playing the game, so it's a sure win, get a gofundme page going surely you can get all those smart individuals to fork out some extra brass to bring Paradox too it's knees!



I'll be watching to see how it goes, eagerly awaiting your big win!

[Apples]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

You just don't know how wrong you are, right?

He does not ... poor thing. xD

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Oh please enlighten me!

Useless exercise.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Oh please enlighten me!

Hell take them to court over it, and prove me wrong that way, that's the easiest way to solve this entire thread!

I'm so sorry, truly, but it's not possible to enlighten anyone.
Truth must find it's way.

FINALLY! the fog has lifted! i can see the light! The wisdom you both have bestowed upon me shall not be in vain!

[Ms.TAKE]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

(...)
"Reasonable" good joke, they have already wasted money by buying a game they will no longer play because Paradox decided to introduce a Launcher.


And cost? well you lot obviously know what you're talking about, and there are thousands and thousands of people being robbed of their privacy right now while playing the game, so it's a sure win, get a gofundme page going surely you can get all those smart individuals to fork out some extra brass to bring Paradox too it's knees!

I'll be watching to see how it goes, eagerly awaiting your big win!

Man... I got confused second time this evening. What are the chances?

[ChillCore]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

He does not ... poor thing. xD


Useless exercise.

Opprinnelig skrevet av Ms.TAKE:

I'm so sorry, truly, but it's not possible to enlighten anyone.
Truth must find it's way.

FINALLY! the fog has lifted! i can see the light! The wisdom you both have bestowed upon me shall not be in vain!

if only ...

I am just going to block you now as I did punchbag ... before I get another warning for giving you my real 2cc too. ;)

[Apples]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

Opprinnelig skrevet av Apples:

FINALLY! the fog has lifted! i can see the light! The wisdom you both have bestowed upon me shall not be in vain!

if only ...

I am just going to block you now as I did punchbag ... before I get another warning for giving you my real 2cc too. ;)

Lmao.. Yeah thought as much.

[ChillCore]

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Opprinnelig skrevet av ChillCore:

if only ...

I am just going to block you now as I did punchbag ... before I get another warning for giving you my real 2cc too. ;)

Lmao.. Yeah thought as much.

It's not like I can not read what you write anymore ... just takes an extra click or a quote ...
It's more ... I don't care what you write 'cause ... well ... it does not matter

[Ms.TAKE]

Well, third time is a charm, as they say - I got confused again.
But I'm afraid we are going nowere at the moment.

edit:
Good night.