Questions about parks

[Cheshire Kate]

From what I understand of parks in the base game, they provide entertainment to buildings in a certain radius, increase land value, and cause cims to visit them.
If I create a city park using the Park Life DLC, will it have the same effects as a plopped park? Obviously cims will visit them, but will it provide the same leisure bonus to buildings around it? What differences are there between a Park Life City Park and a base game plopped park?

If I use assets to turn an area into something that looks like a park, with paths, trees, benches, lamps, picnic tables, etc, but I either don't designate it a city park or I don't add a park gate, will cims use it? Will it provide entertainment or increased land value the way a plopped park does?

Finally, if I have *a lot* of parks in my city, will that cause less commercial demand because cims are spending most of their leisure time at parks instead of shopping?

[grapplehoeker]

You are correct about the details of the basic parks, and no, by plopping down props to simulate a park, you will not get the benefits a park provides. You'll just make an area pretty ;)

Parklife Parks are different.
Think of them as glorified tollbooths for pedestrian Cims.
The difference in that to a regular park is that this means that every Cim who enters the park pays an admission fee. This makes the Park a source of potential revenue as well as a place of leisure. That is the major difference.They are money makers!

Now picture this... to maximise the earning potential of this Park, you need to find a way to get lots and lots of Cims to enter the park. So, in my Duo City, I did just that ;)
I split the city in two, with residential on one side and commercial/industry on the other and placed three Parklife parks in between with no road or mass transit connection between one side of the city and the other. In other words, the only way Cims could travel from their homes to visit the shops, schools and places of work on the other side of town, was to walk through the zoo,or the amusement park or the nature reserve.
This they did in their thousands and I made thousands in the process ;)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1432386457

[snowflitzer]

grapplehoeker eredeti hozzászólása:

You are correct about the details of the basic parks, and no, by plopping down props to simulate a park, you will not get the benefits a park provides. You'll just make an area pretty ;)

Parklife Parks are different.
Think of them as glorified tollbooths for pedestrian Cims.
The difference in that to a regular park is that this means that every Cim who enters the park pays an admission fee. This makes the Park a source of potential revenue as well as a place of leisure. That is the major difference.They are money makers!

Now picture this... to maximise the earning potential of this Park, you need to find a way to get lots and lots of Cims to enter the park. So, in my Duo City, I did just that ;)
I split the city in two, with residential on one side and commercial/industry on the other and placed three Parklife parks in between with no road or mass transit connection between one side of the city and the other. In other words, the only way Cims could travel from their homes to visit the shops, schools and places of work on the other side of town, was to walk through the zoo,or the amusement park or the nature reserve.
This they did in their thousands and I made thousands in the process ;)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1432386457

Aren't you greedy :) lol

[leftbehind]

Also check out the Parkify mod - it lets you use all your existing parks in the parklife park areas

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1393452031

[grapplehoeker]

snowflitzer eredeti hozzászólása:

Aren't you greedy :) lol

Nah... that's peanuts.
Now, by combining the profit potential of Parklife to Industries DLC and Campus DLC and start making close to 200k per tick...
yes, that comes a little closer to satisfying me ;)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1752559382

[Cheshire Kate]

So Park Life Parks are basically only really for tourism and won't affect the levelling up or leisure levels of buildings in my city?

Am I allowed to make Park Life Parks without gates so anyone can use them for free, or do they have to have gates?

If I put a plopped park inside of a Park life park without using the Parkify mod, will I get the benefits of both the plopped park and the park life park?

[grapplehoeker]

Cheshire Kate eredeti hozzászólása:

So Park Life Parks are basically only really for tourism and won't affect the levelling up or leisure levels of buildings in my city?

Yes, as I said, their purpose is to make money through admissions and provide an attractive area for leisure satisfaction, nt to provide a beneficial influence on surrounding buildings. However, an attractively decorated Parklife park will inherently increase land value and provide a reduction in noise pollution if populated with enough trees.

Am I allowed to make Park Life Parks without gates so anyone can use them for free, or do they have to have gates?

If I put a plopped park inside of a Park life park without using the Parkify mod, will I get the benefits of both the plopped park and the park life park?

All Parklife parks have to have gates.
You can make them free to access by reducing admission prices to zero, but then you have considerable upkeep costs to pay which are an unnecessary expense which admission prices can more than pay for otherwise. Besides, Cims have limitless funds in their magical pockets, so it doesn't cost them anything.
They cannot function without them and just as importantly, they receive services such as garbage removal and police/fire services via the gate.
Placing a regular park inside a Parklife park is a little redundant, given that a Parklife park is quite a large area usually and so the positive area of a effect a regular park provides will be limited beyond the Parklife park due to distance alone.
Also, a regular park requires to be placed roadside since it needs roadbound access to services. So, you will have to lay a road inside a Parklife park in order to reach the regular park. This is inefficient.

[Cheshire Kate]

If I place a gate but no fences, will everyone still use the gate, or will people still use the park by going around the gate?

[BucketBrain]

You can place a maingate at the street and don't connect it to the parkpathes but expand the zone to your need . Then draw the pathes to the sidewalk for entry and none has to pay .

[grapplehoeker]

Cheshire Kate eredeti hozzászólása:

If I place a gate but no fences, will everyone still use the gate, or will people still use the park by going around the gate?

Fences are just cosmetic. I rarely enclose any of my Parks with fences and when I do it's usually more of an after thought.
Placing a pedestrian path at one end of the Park (not at the gate) and have the path lead to the other side will allow Cims to use the path to get to the other side as they would with any path that helps to get them from A to B. They would not use it to enjoy the Park's assets. They'd simply use the path as a transport medium.
But, may I ask why do you want your Cims to avoid paying for admission or not?

[BucketBrain]

@ Grapplehoeker - They would not use it to enjoy the Park's assets -
That´s not correct , they would have their fun without running through a gate .
The placed assets need to be in a Park zone for function and one or more streetconnections by a simple path , that´s it .
In this case , the only reason to place a maingate is to get the parkzone status and as long the gate is not connected to an inner path , no through traffic , no payment , but depending on the placed assets visitors

[grapplehoeker]

BucketBrain eredeti hozzászólása:

@ Grapplehoeker - They would not use it to enjoy the Park's assets -
That´s not correct , they would have their fun without running through a gate .
The placed assets need to be in a Park zone for function and one or more streetconnections by a simple path , that´s it .
In this case , the only reason to place a maingate is to get the parkzone status and as long the gate is not connected to an inner path , no through traffic , no payment , but depending on the placed assets visitors

Heh, whether they use the park's assets or not is of no importance to me, I'm more concerned about why you would want to try to bypass the gates in the first place. It can't be due to concern about admissions, since you can reduce those to zero. Why you'd want to remove the biggest benefit a Parklife park can offer: making money, though is beyond me.
So again, I ask the OP, what's the deal?

[Cheshire Kate]

grapplehoeker eredeti hozzászólása:

Cheshire Kate eredeti hozzászólása:

If I place a gate but no fences, will everyone still use the gate, or will people still use the park by going around the gate?

But, may I ask why do you want your Cims to avoid paying for admission or not?

I've never encountered a city park in real life that charges admission, so it seems kind of unrealistic to me. I'm happy to charge admission to an amusement park, but a city park should be free for anyone to use

[grapplehoeker]

Cheshire Kate eredeti hozzászólása:

grapplehoeker eredeti hozzászólása:

But, may I ask why do you want your Cims to avoid paying for admission or not?

I've never encountered a city park in real life that charges admission, so it seems kind of unrealistic to me. I'm happy to charge admission to an amusement park, but a city park should be free for anyone to use

Okay, in that case, why bother bypassing the gate, when you can just reduce admission price to zero?

[Cheshire Kate]

grapplehoeker eredeti hozzászólása:

Cheshire Kate eredeti hozzászólása:

I've never encountered a city park in real life that charges admission, so it seems kind of unrealistic to me. I'm happy to charge admission to an amusement park, but a city park should be free for anyone to use

Okay, in that case, why bother bypassing the gate, when you can just reduce admission price to zero?

Because I prefer how it looks without gates, and was mostly just curious if it would still work without them. I do reduce the admission to all my city parks to 0