Car Upgrades - ALMOST WORK

[RotGoblin]

http://forums.codemasters.com/discussion/3088/disabling-tuning-in-custom-lobby-enables-upgrades-to-work?

Car tuning makes a huge difference to your lap time, but i'm yet to notice any real bonuses from installing the upgrades.

I don't notice the brakes stopping me any faster, or the gear changes being any quicker/smoother, and I notice absolutely no benefit from having the engine upgrade at level 50..

So I ask you.. Do the upgrades actually work?

TEST RESULTS - INDIANAPOLIS SPEEDWAY
Touring Cars, class C.
Stock tuning.
Top Speed runs using slipstream.


FOCUS
No upgrade: 164mph
Engine upgrade only: 164mph
All upgrades: 164mph
Explain that?

CIVIC
No upgrades: 162mph
Engine upgrade: 162mph
All upgrades: 162mph

I also point out that with Engine and Flywheel upgrades enabled the car appears slower in acceleration also, but I have no easy way to test or prove this fairly.

Codies, you have a problem. Upgrades don't work.

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UPDATE - disabling upgrades in online custom cup make them work!

Tuning disabled, and upgrades enabled = upgrades work

Tuning enabled, upgrades disabled = upgrades do not work

Both disabled = upgrades work

This must be done in coding, so enabling the tuning triggers upgrades to disable.

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I will note that some cars the upgrades have more effects than others, in FWD vehicles like Integra and Mini the upgrades make a significant difference..

But in RWD vehicle Viper the difference is less obvious, but still a small advantage.

Thanks to Mineral Water and Zodh for helping with all this testing.

[RockBinkie]

That's a good point... I think they do work, I've noticed on some cars right after installing the brake mod that I would lock up the wheels in some places where I usually wouldn't, I also think with the flywheel that the car is revvier and quicker off the mark for starting. But I'd be interested in doing some trials with and without each modification to see the impact they have on laptimes - has anybody done this yet?

[Trapgat]

engine/ weight upgrade is always very useful

[xDeluxed]

yeah i've noticed that when u set gear ratios -100 u wont actually accelerate any quicker or doesnt feel like any faster.

[Double B]

Now, admittedly I am just so so in the game, and mostly do Racenet, but there is minimal differences for the actual upgrades, however, the tuning portion works well.

[lanier67]

Originally posted by Blayd:

Now, admittedly I am just so so in the game, and mostly do Racenet, but there is minimal differences for the actual upgrades, however, the tuning portion works well.

IS there any place where the tuning options are explained in depth? I seem to aimlessly tune the car and am not really sure what I am doing

[siri175]

The tuning and upgrades do seem to have an effect for me but each one is not dramatic. Balance seems pretty good to me - gradual improvements without the car becoming massively overpowered.

[Oh Heck]

Upgrades really should be accessible through purchase, and not level locked.

FULL tuning should be available to everyone from day one.

The way it's set up now is silly.

[RotGoblin]

i'm under the impression that currently the Upgrades are a placebo.. you think they are working because you have installed them, thus you will think the car is behaving better where it is behaving exactly the same.

I might have to try and run some 0-100 and 100-0 tests.

[Doktor Karthus]

Well I certainly notice the difference.

[R4DFIELD]

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[mitchellvii]

So far Ive done the engine upgrades on 3 cars and I'm still getting wasted on the straightaways by people driving loaners. There is simply no way a level 60 car should not be able to keep pace with a loaner. Likewise I have easily beaten a room full of players with upgraded cars when I was in a loaner.

The strangest car of all is the Ariel V8. With the engine upgrade my top speed was reduced by almost 15 mph. Just crazy. Also, by the time you get a car to level 50, the maintenance repairs are so insanely high its just not worth keeping. When you win a race and get $15,000 then spend $60,000 just to keep the car running thats a problem.

One other thing. Just for fun I drove a car with 0% straight across left on maintenance. I won all 3 races. The car ran as it always does even though it shouldnt have run at all.

Note sure what CM is doing with upgrades but it's a mess.

P.S., Downforce on a car like the T1 actually makes handling worse, not better,

[Sociopath]

Originally posted by mitchellvii:

So far Ive done the engine upgrades on 3 cars and I'm still getting wasted on the straightaways by people driving loaners. There is simply no way a level 60 car should not be able to keep pace with a loaner. Likewise I have easily beaten a room full of players with upgraded cars when I was in a loaner.

The strangest car of all is the Ariel V8. With the engine upgrade my top speed was reduced by almost 15 mph. Just crazy. Also, by the time you get a car to level 50, the maintenance repairs are so insanely high its just not worth keeping. When you win a race and get $15,000 then spend $60,000 just to keep the car running thats a problem.

One other thing. Just for fun I drove a car with 0% straight across left on maintenance. I won all 3 races. The car ran as it always does even though it shouldnt have run at all.

Note sure what CM is doing with upgrades but it's a mess.

P.S., Downforce on a car like the T1 actually makes handling worse, not better,

I also noticed a loss of power after a engine upgrade, cant remember which car, but i was grinding a track, after the new engine was in place i lost around 10 kmph in every corner.

And i cant say i notice the upgrades doing anything good either, i do however notice the tuning aspect.

[mitchellvii]

the one upgrade that seems to help is brakes. i notice that. Anyway jusr raced a friend in Formula B's. He was in a level 60 and i was driving a loaner. we have similar skills. Race was neck and neck whole time. No physical advantage i could tell to his level 60 car at all.

[AERODANCE]

Originally posted by mitchellvii:

Also, by the time you get a car to level 50, the maintenance repairs are so insanely high its just not worth keeping. When you win a race and get $15,000 then spend $60,000 just to keep the car running thats a problem.

One other thing. Just for fun I drove a car with 0% straight across left on maintenance. I won all 3 races. The car ran as it always does even though it shouldnt have run at all.

Note sure what CM is doing with upgrades but it's a mess.

I can't understand that, too. What codemasters want from us with the repair/reward system on 50+ car level...

[Rigor Morti5]

All other upgrades gives slight positive impact except engine upgrade looks statistically best and must have upgrade truth is it makes car slower pretty weird.

As for tuning aspect greatest impact makes gear ratio fine tuning getting most accleration and top speed of out of it is ofc very map spesific.