Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged

Broken Sword - Shadow of the Templars: Reforged

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DrMcCoy Aug 17, 2024 @ 4:23am
Disclose usage of AI
The intro seems to be at least in part an AI upscale of the original intro animation:
https://imgur.com/a/sALsVZD

I mean, the parasol in that frame looks a bit weird in the original as well, at least in the SMK the game comes with. So it's no wonder an AI upscaler would produce this wonky mess from these. But it's very obvious that you've neither gone back to the original drawings (if they still exist) nor have redrawn these bits.

So, could you please disclose all places where you're using AI for this "reforged" thing?
Last edited by DrMcCoy; Aug 17, 2024 @ 4:24am
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jackman071 Aug 17, 2024 @ 4:26am 
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Everything will be done by AI. Its just a quick cash grab. How many times you need to play same game with minor differences?
mintyflops19 Aug 17, 2024 @ 10:24am 
Originally posted by DrMcCoy:
The intro seems to be at least in part an AI upscale of the original intro animation:
https://imgur.com/a/sALsVZD

I mean, the parasol in that frame looks a bit weird in the original as well, at least in the SMK the game comes with. So it's no wonder an AI upscaler would produce this wonky mess from these. But it's very obvious that you've neither gone back to the original drawings (if they still exist) nor have redrawn these bits.

So, could you please disclose all places where you're using AI for this "reforged" thing?
honest question but why ? does it really matter that much? either play it or dont...AI or not theyve stuck to the core game and it does look substantially better , if you dont want to pay full price then wait for it to be on sale or as i say dont , its up to you but really is there need to be concerned where theyve use AI , likely the whole thing is AI with some hand touch up as theyve said over on the kick starter.
DrMcCoy Aug 17, 2024 @ 10:57am 
Originally posted by Kendall1980:
honest question but why ?

Because I'm asking them to.
F.o.B. Aug 17, 2024 @ 11:32am 
What does it matter if you know the exact places?

The use of AI in the remaster is no secret, Charles confirmed it one year ago: https://www.polygon.com/23842925/broken-sword-6-bs1-remaster-charles-cecil
TofuStranger Aug 17, 2024 @ 3:53pm 
I was under the impression they were re-drawing everything from the ground up for this remaster so this is disappointing to hear. The AI doesn't look anything more than consumer-grade stuff as well
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jackman071 Aug 18, 2024 @ 1:08am 
The point is to do the least amount of work for the greatest payout in the end. This will only bring 4K resolution and everything will be upscaled and enhanced with AI. If someone doesnt like it there are 2 old versions to play, original and directors cut. In the end its the same game. You play it once and there is no need to play it again.
AleX Aug 18, 2024 @ 2:44am 
Originally posted by jackman071:
Everything will be done by AI. Its just a quick cash grab. How many times you need to play same game with minor differences?

AI was used in the film sequences, yes, how else could it work without completely changing the original?
This was also done in the Command and Conquer remaster.

But the fact is that the ingame
graphics are changed by hand, the characters, sound ,
everything is redesigned as you can clearly see.

If you want to see an example of little work in a remaster then
look at final fantasy 7-9 as a comparison.
It's just wrong what you said plain and simple.
Last edited by AleX; Aug 18, 2024 @ 2:47am
mintyflops19 Aug 21, 2024 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by DrMcCoy:
Originally posted by Kendall1980:
honest question but why ?

Because I'm asking them to.
pfft suggest you give it a rest champ i honestly dont think they or anyone actually cares, if you dont like it dont buy it simples!
TofuStranger Sep 2, 2024 @ 12:52pm 
I read the article about how they used AI to make this and it's better than I thought at least. They mostly just used it on the sprites and have their own trained model. Hopefully it will look good. I don't have a problem with the screenshots so far even if it looks slightly more cartoonish to me somehow. Time will tell how good it will be with the release date around the corner
jamesfp Sep 19, 2024 @ 2:08am 
They used AI to upscale then redrew from those.
MikeyZ Sep 19, 2024 @ 2:17am 
There really is not a single game that people will not complain about.
Frantik Sep 19, 2024 @ 2:44am 
The backgrounds and the characters in game are clearly redone.
Words @TNEQL Sep 19, 2024 @ 6:53am 
Originally posted by F.o.B.:
What does it matter if you know the exact places?

The use of AI in the remaster is no secret, Charles confirmed it one year ago: https://www.polygon.com/23842925/broken-sword-6-bs1-remaster-charles-cecil
Steam requires public disclosure of AI use on the store page itself, which is not there.
Last edited by Words @TNEQL; Sep 19, 2024 @ 6:54am
Magic Pumpkin Sep 19, 2024 @ 7:03am 
It's only AI generated content that needs disclosing, this is merely upscaling their own work.
ChallAcc Sep 19, 2024 @ 7:09am 
Originally posted by Words @TNEQL:
Originally posted by F.o.B.:
What does it matter if you know the exact places?

The use of AI in the remaster is no secret, Charles confirmed it one year ago: https://www.polygon.com/23842925/broken-sword-6-bs1-remaster-charles-cecil
Steam requires public disclosure of AI use on the store page itself, which is not there.
That's only ai images. This game used ai to upscale from low res to 4k, for reference only, making things easier for the artists. Everything was recreated and redrawn, including the cut scenes.
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